Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. I was thinking the same thing. We had a couple of years of that from all quarters and it amounted to "not a record" in the end. From what I've read, not many people are using logic and reason here. Following one's heart is great and all, but predictions made that way often lead folks on this site to declare films with perfectly decent box office numbers "flops" simply because their own hyper-inflated forecasts don't match reality.
  2. No. This is what comes of someone making a Marvel v DC club. Just sayin'.
  3. There are a lot of suck-ups here.
  4. At first, I was surprised that WW hasn't made a dent on Tumblr, but on consideration it makes sense. It lacks some of the angles that Tumblr users love, like charismatic male leads (who lend themselves to slash fic and objectification), a fan favorite actress (like Emma Watson) or animation. One would have thought that the fantasy and feminist elements would be attractive enough, but to be brutally honest a lot of female fans would have gone wild over an island of hot men (with endless slash possibilities) whereas Themiscyra leaves them cold.
  5. OUT No matter what the OW, this is going to get the standard DCEU multiplier of >2.5. Even if it comes in higher than the present forecast, it will top out around $300M, imo.
  6. Didn't Scott say that he had four sequels planned, only to whittle that down to two? After this, Fox will probably pull Blomkamp's script out of the bin and give Sigourney a call.
  7. I was surprised to see the notice as soon as I logged in. I took a few weeks' break from this forum precisely because the omnipresent nastiness became depressing. Once it started detracting from the fun of following box office and movie news I bailed. It's better to get pure numbers from the trades and BOM than to wade through endless snark. it will be interesting to see how this experiment in positivity/less negativity works.
  8. Maybe when the actuals come in it will. Though I've no doubt that the fudge will be strong with Fox on Monday afternoon.
  9. How does Deadline even come up with those stats? Do they survey people at a few theaters, the way Cinemascore does? Are people given questionnaires to fill out? In order to get an idea of what the significance of the stat is, one really needs to know how the survey is conducted and what the sample size is.
  10. The first Guardians had sex jokes, too, and a lot more coarse language than vol. 2. Yet despite that families went to see the original film in droves. You have to realize that American TV is rife with raunchiness and off-color humor, which kids get to see quite regularly. And let's not forget all the online content that is readily available to even the youngest kids without their parents knowing (or caring). As long as nobody is banging onscreen parents will be fine with taking their kids to see it.
  11. It's strange that Marvel has been slammed by some for allegedly making formulaic films, but now vol. 2 is being criticized for veering away from the standard superhero format.
  12. I think I'm already in. If not, add me to the list. Btw, several more reserved seating cinemas have opened in my area recently, so I can see that vol. 2 is nearly sold out for the previews. Tickets for Friday & Saturday are also selling briskly. This weekend is gonna be wild at the most popular locations.
  13. Agree to disagree on that. Campea is so verbose that it's almost impossible for any of the others to get a word in edgewise when he's there. Once he has very vehemently staked out a position, he magnanimously allows the others to say a few words. There is more conversation among the group when Campea is sidelined. Collider's YouTube channel would improve vastly if Steve Weintraub and his interviews were featured there. The few times he has appeared on Movie Talk have been enjoyable. I can't figure out why Weintraub's interviews aren't hosted on YouTube where they would be more accessible.
  14. Collider is nothing more than an echo chamber wherein the loudest voice sweeps the others along. Campea is always the loudest, therefore the others either fall in line with him or are reluctant to disagree too strongly. Their videos have become so much of a chore for me to listen to that I've given up on them. They don't need a "host," and the constant yammering and hot takes just don't interest me. It's better when Campea isn't leading the pack, though.