Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. And I normally do too. I can't tell you the amount of money that I've spent going to the theaters this year. It's been almost every week this summer. But some of you guys really need to watch what you say to someone that you don't know before insinuating that they are a bad person. The original quote made me so angry that I'm considering going back into lurking because it brought back memories of a situation that happened to a family member that I would choose rather to forget, because I love movies.
  2. Oh I'm biting my tongue so hard right now not to respond to this viciously having a family member that worked and lived in Hollywood and hearing of her experiences with high industry people. Please don't ever preach to me about morals in your industry. You might get a lot of likes on this forum for your comment but I could give two shits about what you think about me as a person. You will never change my mind about the inner dealings of your industry. This is why I left this forum for months. This echo chamber mentality. It's fine that you have a problem with piracy but you want me shamed for even suggesting it? Oh yeah the studio should just be able to mislead people, as long as they get their fucking money back that's all that matters right? Who cares that they didn't deliver the product that they promised audiences. That's all I'm saying. I'm dropping it. I know how this forum feels about that subject which is why I never bring it up here.
  3. My theater of 49 was extremely well behaved which is not usually the case with most horror movies (but this isn't that). No one on their phones, no talking...I didn't hear the displeasure until the credits came up and the lights came up. Then multiple people said "What the fuck?" and "That was horrible". People were walking out trashing it and I looked back to stare at the perplexed looks of people still sitting there almost expecting there to be more movie left. Nope, you got scammed!
  4. That's not really that open for interpretation. That's not asking anything that is that interesting like Personal Shopper or Nocturnal Animals. And if those were just more of the same, that makes the movie even more pointless then it already was.
  5. Yeah, we're going to agree to disagree on that. Yes it does. If studios are going to market a movie as one thing, causing audiences to rush out to see that then don't expect them to rush out again when the next one comes along. Read the reviews on Flixster, many are saying the same thing. They all want their money back because they didn't get the product they were promised. If studios want to pull a bait and switch to make up for film costs, then don't expect audiences to pay for it ever again. It's like a used car sales men saying "This car is great and will last the next 12 years!" and it breaks down the next day. "Well at least I sold the car!" Sorry I usually like A24 but fuck them in this case.
  6. And that's why people have no problem pirating movies. If studios want to play those types of games with audiences then that's what they get.
  7. Yeah, fuck this movie. I'm still angry about going to the theaters to see it. If it was marketed as what it actually is, there is no way I would have. I could have easily waited because I've seen that scenario done plenty before. I'm not pissed off because it wasn't a jump scare horror film (I didn't want that), I'm pissed off that it wasn't even a psychological horror film. It has one of the worst endings of the year. It's not open for interpretation like The Neon Demon or Personal Shopper....it just ends. All I knew before going in was that it was a horror film from a studio that has done a lot of films that I like. I had no idea what it was about. Now, watching the marketing....yeah fuck the marketing team for this movie. It is not anything close to that. Why they titled it that is beyond me because if IT is supposed to be paranoia it also comes during the fucking day.
  8. Yeah the fact that I'm still angry about going to the theaters to see this says a lot. If they advertised it as what it was, I would not have. I've seen plenty of those movies and easily could have waited (the last one being Into The Forest). I just expected a horror movie and it wasn't even that. It wasn't even a psychological horror movie like Jacobs Ladder or The Neon Demon or Personal Shopper. It was yet another prepper survival thriller sprinkled with bad dreams. It had no point because it ended up exactly where it started (except now they're all dead) and had nothing unique to say in between all it's flashiness to make it even worthwhile. Fuck this movie and fuck the marketing team for selling it like that. I did watch the trailers last night after seeing it and the conjob they pulled is messed up.
  9. It felt like that, which is why I was into it.....and then it just ended. I completely understand why it got a D cinemascore. There was no point to it. I was absorbed into it, marveled at the unique camera angles, the great hallway shots....then the experience just cuts to black. It's like the director had no idea what to do to end the movie so he came up with the lamest way possible. What was the point? I've watched so many post apocalyptic movies that at least had some sort of message in it. What message did this have? That people suck and are easily paranoid? That's the real horror? Oh wow, I haven't heard that 1,000 times. Thanks critics, I'm so stoked I rushed out and wasted $15 to hear that again. If felt like a haunted house at Halloween Horror Nights at the end of the night when most of the cast members went home (or were on break). So instead of walking through rooms expecting to see something, they are virtually empty...leading to an end scene that wasn't worth the 2 hour wait.
  10. If my audience was any indication, it's going to fall even further over the weekend. I made a point to not watch a trailer for this thing before seeing it so I didn't even know what it was advertised as. When the credits came up, I couldn't believe it.
  11. This movie was like walking through a haunted house and having the tension build and build and build and build for 90 minutes and then seeing the exit door. You walk outside like Really? What in the fuck was that? What a fucking waste of money, good acting and great atmosphere. I love art house horror type stuff (although I hated the Witch) and can see why audiences are trashing this.
  12. No people pirate certain movies because they feel they aren't worth spending $14 to go see in the theaters. People don't like to leave movies angry at what they watched. It feels like getting scammed. So when the next one comes along, why rush out to the theaters to get burned again? This is the type of film that should have gone straight to HD. It's why I can wait for The Mummy. I don't want to pay that amount of money to watch a movie I'm probably going to find bad. Other people can justify it and that's fine. Not me.
  13. I don't even know how to grade this because the ending pissed me off so badly. One of the most pointless movies I've seen of the year. All the awesome camera angles, great acting and amazing atmosphere is completely wasted on a story that goes absolutely nowhere and shows you virtually nothing. I made it a point to not watch a single trailer before seeing this because I wanted to be surprised with whatever horror elements it had in it....but there were very little. Unlike "The Monster", this doesn't show you shit. If you want to see actors gasping at something they think is terrifying this is the movie for you! I thought they would eventually reveal something...anything...and they never did outside of the old black man with blood running out of his mouth. I like movies about pandemics/epidemics and have watched a lot of indie art house type films like this but none have felt this pointless with a message that I haven't heard 1,000 times before. People can't be trusted in a post apocalyptic setting and would be extremely paranoid. They are only out for their own survival and their loved ones. Yeah no shit movie! Shows like The Walking Dead go over this theme every fucking week! This movie doesn't even show you the kid being sick. It doesn't give a reasoning for Paul not letting the other family just go instead of causing a huge problem when it was already too late...it just rushes right through all of that to get to the credits. I haven't watched a film where my opinion on it changed in the span of a few minutes. It felt like the story was going to keep going, that things might actually come together!....nope, the grandfather dies, the dog dies, the whole other family dies, the son dies and then the father and wife stare at each other clearly infected....and they are going to die too. The end. This movie is like walking through a haunted house at Halloween Horror Nights when most of the cast members have gone home. All you're left with is a bunch of empty rooms and a finale that wasn't close to being worth the 90 minute wait. The tension builds and builds and builds...and you think it's going to pay off and lead somewhere and then you see the exit door up ahead. Once you get outside you look around in confusion..."Huh?! Wait that was it? Well that fucking sucked." What a massive letdown and a waste of time and money.
  14. It's going to drop even further. That movie will not have good WOM.
  15. It Comes At Night is why many people have no problem pirating movies. Saw it in a small theater that was extremely well behaved and could not tell you the amount of "what the fuck was that?" and "that was fucking horrible." when the credits rolled. So many people sat in their seats with this perplexed look in their faces. They couldn't believe it was over or that they spent $14 on it. I was really enjoying it up until the ending too and I like art house type horror films. Unlike Personal Shopper I wasn't smiling when this ended like Huh! I was grimacing with Huh?! That was it?!