Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. Disney/Lucasfilms have a few issues to contend with in spite of the fact that the their last two movies combined for $3 billion. They have replaced directors two years in a row. That's not good. They made a huge push in China that failed. Nothing catastrophic obviously given how huge the brand is but they have a lot invested in the continued success of this franchise.
  2. Apparently "weak acting" is one of the main complaints. You can't fix it in post so expect extensive re-shoots. I have always considered this movie to be a stupid fucking idea so meh.
  3. A lot of people smoke to keep their weight down and to relieve stress. It makes sense why actors/actresses would smoke even if it is a harmful thing.
  4. Actually if you look at 2016, Conjuring 2 also had a 80% Friday jump followed by a less than 10% Saturday jump. Father's day numbers were also all over the map with Warcraft dropping only 4% and Conjuring 2 dropping 40%. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2016-06-17&p=.htm
  5. Wonder Woman is a much bigger brand historically than any of those Marvel solo characters. A well-reviewed solo Superman movie with a lot of hype should do a billion worldwide. Same goes for a solo Batman movie. The female Superhero factor is legit but aside from that $650-700 million WW seems about right in this day and age of peak CBM movies. Universal's Monster Universe is in a completely different space. The Mummy is a misstep and there is no way they will be able to greenlight a mummy sequel.
  6. She isn't box office poison but boxoffice.com has the movie doing John Wick 2 numbers which seems a bit too high to me. Maybe a $20 million OW with the final total depending entirely on the WOM.
  7. WW is not a good example because 1) Marvel/DC have much bigger fanbase 2) Wonder Woman has a $725 million WW ceiling which is pretty much the par score for a well-reviewed Marvel movie like Doctor Strange so bad reviews have definitely taken a toll on DCEU.
  8. What's the deal with 47 meters down and its 3500 theater count? Are they even promoting the movie ?
  9. Did they ? This is a wide release so they must have spend a lot of money in marketing it and I doubt it will make that money back. Movies like this are difficult to sell so I don't blame A24 but so far they haven't shown any ability to support a wide release.
  10. I have yet to see A Cure for Wellness but that trailer is fucking great. The shot of the train entering the tunnel is everything.
  11. Is there a precedence for a CBM movie increasing 30-40% from its opening Friday during summer ?
  12. Deadline update $38.5 Friday/ $95+ OW
  13. I agree with this. A lot more people watch CBM movies than used to back in early 2010s but the people who don't watch CBMs stay away from all of it so we have a higher floor and a lower ceiling. $1.5 billion for IW will depend mostly on China. As far as the domestic goes, nothing over $500 million is a lock.
  14. The movie looks good but I am still not convinced that A24 can successfully handle a wide release.
  15. What is the post-theatrical portion of the revenues these days for mid-budget movies ? Are they still making more than 50% from TV,streaming,DVD sales and rentals ?