Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. IN....just because i think any CBM featuring RDJ as IM is likely to generate at least $650M on the foreign front alone.
  2. He/she is saying $800m - $950m WORLDWIDE not just foreign.
  4. Guardians who was released in 2014 was a big risk and considered as such at the time. True, since Avengers, superhero movies have been propelled into another stratosphere in terms of BO, but until Guardians, all of them were either remakes of A list characters or sequels of tested movies...and even then, it didn't stop some major flops like the Fantastic Four or some domestic major underperformance like Apocalypse. Guardians was the very first original superhero movie featuring obscur characters post Avengers and the first one based on a cosmic world. It was a first test to prove that a totally original property with basicly no major fanbase could succeed where other original SH movies (eg : Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, ect) have failed constantly before.
  5. To me the whole original/non original topic is a wrong critic. Studios don't do remakes to please the exact same audience as before, they do remakes to update a classic for a renewed audience. People die, others are born, other are growing out of some material they used to love being younger while others become new fans and receptive to what is for them a totally new material. This is the number one reason why remakes are made, to become the contemporary movie of a new audience who wasn't there when the original or former one was released ...while still trying to engange the former one who will see this with a more critical eye coimparing the two. That's why a new Terminator will be released as soon as James Cameron gets his hands on it...not for me who grew up with the original one but for a younger generation who will make it its contemporary classic.
  8. Yeah, people forget that before Winter Soldier, Thor was > than cap in terms of BO, both on the domestic market and on the foreign one. The first Thor wasn't that far away from the first IM when it comes to foreign revenues. Also, remove China, and Thor solo movies still generate bigger foreign revenues than a pure cap solo movie. It only needs one great movie and the hability to finally reduce the gap it has with China to do at the very least as best as a great solo cap movie.
  9. James Gunn‏Verified account @JamesGunn 30m30 minutes ago James Gunn Retweeted Mr. SpiderPool Most people who’ve seen it seem to think it’s better but I just think of it as different - more emotional, organic and humorous. James Gunn added,
  10. Yeah, $100M opening weekend is the minimum, which will be $15M higher than TDW. I personally think that if this movie is perceived as the better of the trilogie, it can have more or less the same type of bump that First Avenger versus Winter Soldier or The Wolverine versus Logan. So i can see it opening somewhere between $115M and $ opening weekend around IM2/MOS. Legs will determine where it can end but anywhere between $240M and $300M seems like a right guess for now.
  11. Yeah, $100M opening weekend is the minimum, which will be $15M higher than TDW. I personally think that if this movie is perceived as the better of the trilogie, it can have more or less the s
  12. Thor:Ragnarok Teaser Trailer is here !
  13. To me, having Tony Stark in it, makes it the main contender for the biggest foreign BO for a CBM this year. When you look at every CBM where IM appeared since 2012, the foreign take alone goes from $895M (TA), $805M (IM3), $945M (AOU) and $745M (Civil War). Granted that most currencies have fallen since 2012, chances are that both AOU and Civil War would have made more with the ER of 2012 or 2013. Quite frankly, taking the current ER, i don't see any CBM featuring RDJ as IM doing less than $650M this year on the foreign market alone.....and i don't see any other CBM doing better overseas this year. You need to have that universal popularity and be among the bigger hitters in every single big markets of each continent to get to those $650+M on the foreign markets. Few franchises/properties can obliterate equally in Asia, Europe and South America. Fewer when it comes to CBMs. They all end up in the vicinity of $400M - $550m overseas in the best case scenario...only those featuring IM tend to end up with an additional $250+M abroad, putting them on target to the one billion club worldwide..