Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. Weekend 01–04/06/2017 Ranking Title Weekend admissions % change from last weekend Total admissions (by Sunday) Monday admissions Week 1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 44,369 -59.0% 210,076 7,778 2 2 Baywatch 13,303 N/A 13,303 2,546 1 3 Mes Tresors [French] 4,697 N/A 4,697 825 1 4 The Boss Baby 3,492 -46.0% 137,657 955 9 5 A Quiet Passion 3,209 N/A 3,209 – 1 6 Miss Sloane 2,797 N/A 2,797 775 1 7 Alien: Covenant 2,151 -69.4% 43,633 404 3 8 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword 1,557 -68.5% 79,191 358 4 9 Smurfs: The Lost Village 1,389 -56.9% 146,302 234 10 10 La Reina de Espana [Spanish] 1,355 N/A 1,355 315 1 Source: 'Pirates 5' had a big drop, as did all holdovers of the Top 10. It is trailing all its predecessors and 300K admissions is not a complete certainty at this point. 'The Boss Baby' and 'Smurfs 3' have done quite well through their 9th and 10th weekends respectively. All new films were quite disappointing. The only one that had a per-screen average of more than 500 was 'A Quiet Passion' which opened in 6 venues. Weekend 08–11/06/2016 Ranking Title Weekend admissions % change from last weekend Total admissions Week 1 Wonder Woman 38,618 N/A 38,618 1 2 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 20,110 -54.7% 255,830 3 3 Radin! [French] 9,434 N/A 9,434 1 4 Baywatch 7,239 -45.6% 31,328 2 5 Lost City of Z 3,627 N/A 3,627 1 6 The Boss Baby 2,995 -14.2% 142,097 10 7 Tanna 1,470 N/A 1,470 1 8 Smurfs: The Lost Village 1,355 -2.4% 148,077 11 9 Mes Tresors [French] 1,115 -76.3% 7,957 2 10 A Quiet Passion 1,099 -65.8% 5,353 2 Source: 'Wonder Woman' had a solid opening, even though it was much lower than any Superman or Batman film. It was higher than last month's 'Guardians 2' by about 3.5K admissions. It should surpass 100K admissions even if it doesn't go much higher. 'Pirates 5' continued its preceipitous fall to the bottom. All other holdovers dropped heavily, except the two animated films: 'The Boss Baby' and 'Smurfs 3' both of which have done much better than their opening weekend suggested. Other openers faired poorly.
  2. From DEADLINE: "In its 4th weekend, the Johnny Depp-starrer reached $500M at the international box office, making it the 21st Walt Disney Studios film to surpass the milestone. It’s now the No. 3 international release of 2017 (Dis also has No. 2 Beauty And The Beast and No. 4 Guardians 2). The weekend was good for $18.8M in 54 markets for an overseas cume of $500M and $650.1M worldwide. Looking at the same suite of markets at today’s rates, POTC5 is currently running 12% ahead of Pirates 4 and 30% ahead of Pirates 3. China still is well in the lead with $169.3M, followed by Russia at $38.5M, Germany with $24.4M, the UK at $22.3M, and Korea‘s $22. Japan has still to dock on July 1." COMMENT: I think the sentence in bold is the most important to take note of. There seems to be no sign of fatigue for this franchise.
  3. Weekend 25–28/05/2017 Ranking Title Weekend admissions % change from last weekend Total admissions Week 1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 108,145 N/A 108,145 1 2 Alien: Covenant 7,037 -63.7% 37,725 2 3 The Boss Baby 6,461 +48.7% 133,328 8 4 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword 4,945 -60.4% 74,435 3 5 The Dinner 3,843 N/A 3,843 1 6 Smurfs: The Lost Village 3,226 +61.5% 144,532 9 7 Norm of the North 2,426 -8.2% 9,639 3 8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 2,091 -55.6% 81,338 4 9 Aquarius [Brazilian] 1,018 N/A 1,018 1 10 Polina, Danser Sa Vie [French] 878 N/A 878 1 Source: Some booty was injected into the box office this weekend, after the fifth 'Pirates of the Caribbean' film debuted to what was the biggest opening since last year's 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' but the lowest opening of the franchise. The film opened to just below half 'Dead Man's Chest's then-record 219.7K opening. That was of course a different time when the box office was booming but that is not to say that there haven't been any monster-size successes since then, so clearly the Greek audience has lost interest in the 'Pirates' franchise. The fivequel is looking to capitalise on next week's holiday (Monday is a religious national holiday) but, even so, the best I can hope for is a mutliple around the level of its immediate predecessors (~2.5-2.6x). Anything more than that is welcome but unlikely. However, the small Thursday-to-Friday drop (17%) and the big Saturday increase suggest that it won't be very front-loaded. With 'Wonder Woman' not opening this week, but the week after, 'Dead Men Tell No Tales' has some breathing space to grab some extra cash. We'll see. For now, these are all the numbers for the franchise: Pirates of the Caribbean Title Opening weekend Release date Total Multiple Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 219,696 24/08/06 655,639 2.98 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 213,490 24/05/07 539,622 2.53 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides 152,908 19/05/11 395,955 2.59 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 140,090 12/09/03* 585,000 4.18 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 108,145 25/05/17 *Back then, it was a 3-day weekend As for holdovers, 'Covenant', 'Legend of the Sword' and 'Guardians 2' dropped sizeably due to 'Pirates'. On the other hand, 'The Boss Baby' and 'Smurfs 3' had big boosts and may enjoy similar ones next weekend due to the Monday holiday. 'Norm of the North' held very well too. The other openers all performed miserably. After 5 months, the year is trailing 2016 by 6% and 2015 by 4%. It is ahead of 2014, 2013 and 2012 by more than 10%. Not so bad but not so good either. For the final update on the 2016 yearly chart and the newly added 2017 Top 10, click here.
  4. Do we have a table for the highest opening weekends in admissions?
  5. This is amazing. Every single Pirates of the Caribbean sequel has broken the opening-weekend record in Russia. Unbelievable consistency... Around the World Roundup: 'Pirates' Dominates Again – Around the World Roundup: 'At World's End' Massive in Beginning – Around-the-World Roundup: 'Pirates' Sails to New Overseas Record –
  6. $86.5Μ OS through Friday. I think a $250M opening is likely - maybe higher. $800M WW is not dead $900M WW is not dead Even $1B is not dead, cuz it opens in Japan in July and that market could add $100M. Don't panic guys.
  7. Weekend 18–21/05/2017 Ranking Title Weekend admissions % change from last weekend Total admissions Week 1 Alien: Covenant 19,407 N/A 19,407 1 2 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword 12,482 -56.0% 61,253 2 3 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 4,714 -57.6% 76,381 3 4 The Boss Baby 4,345 +13.3% 126,187 7 5 Norm of the North 2,643 -23.6% 6,779 2 6 Smurfs: The Lost Village 1,998 -6.2% 141,016 8 7 The Fate of the Furious 1,553 -51.6% 301,367 6 8 Vor der Morgenröte [Austrian] 1,481 N/A 1,481 1 9 The Wall 1,327 N/A 1,327 1 10 Un Profil Pour Deux [French] 1,168 N/A 1,168 1 Source: This weekend was a new record-low for the year, in terms of cumulative attendance (56,784 admissions). 'Covenant' had a disastrous start. 'Alien vs Predator' had sold 16,400 admissions in Athens only (nationwide opening unknown) in 2004. 'Aliens vs Predator - Requiem' sold 10,600 admissions in Athens only in 2008. This one sold 11,521 admissions in Athens. Finally 'Prometheus' sold 29,620 admissions nationwide in 2012 – significantly higher than 'Covenant'. 'Legend of the Sword' and 'Guardians 2' both had steep drops. 'The Boss Baby' and 'Smurfs 3' held very well and will likely continue on this course. 'Norm of the North' had an interestingly strong hold but a pathetic total. 'Fate of the Furios' has finally crossed 300K admissions but will likely finish with a total below 310K admissions. Nevertheless, it had a decent drop from its predecessor and a very respectable total for these grim times that we're going through. Three newcomers occupied the lower part of the Top 10 with nothing interesting about them worth mentioning. Next week comes 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales', subtitled 'The Revenge of Salazar' in Greece as well. The last had opened to 153,500 admissions. Seeing how it's performing in other countries, anything above 100K admissions would be satisfactory. We'll see!
  8. How does this compare to previous Pirates/all time records?
  9. How does this copmare to previous Pirates films? [EDIT:] Deadline says it's higher than PotC 4
  10. Seems like there's an interesting mix of markets, some of which are tanking and others which are booming, compared to POTC4. POTC4 made $44.2M through Thursday overseas, but China is clearly going to be bigger this time round and may make up for the difference.
  11. So second best OD after Iron Man 3's 256.4M RUB which was on a national holiday [EDIT:] See next post. It's actually 4th biggest.
  12. In what sense? It's worse than all four previous Pirate films.