Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. It's starting to look like a, second largest OW of all time/letdown. Then it does 4x PS....
  2. Depends on when they start selling tickets. Kong P5 and BatB started 14 days out, averaged 22% until the final 3 days FF8 PS started 12 days out and averaged 30% daily increases TF5 started 10days out and will average 35%. Last year they usually released 8 days out and average 40%. The last 3 days is usually 40, 50, 75%. FF8 had a lot of sellouts so was much lower. WW started just 6 days out ramped up 100% at the end.
  3. By the looks of PS it sounds about right. I'm thinking your high end is the probable number unless WoM is horrible and with big WoM FF7s $390m is possible The last one did $320m but the XR has decreased by 10%. So $290m would be on par in yuan. Following CA3 as it has. PS today should reach 40m. 60m tomorrow. 105m final. 3x PS for OD MN/FSS- 30/315/390/290 1025/$150m OW +/-5%
  4. 50% lower than FF8 was TF4's OW Total with just 60k shows. Has to open 1B+ with 150k+ shows. PS are misleading us. Different PS run than FF8. I can't believe it bumped Sunday. Yup. I think it reaches 1.3b after the sun and Mon holds. Just needs to hold -65% next week. I think most schools are out. Mondays holds were -50-60%. That'll boost TF5 on Friday and Sunday
  5. I'm amazed how FF8 did so well. It didn't have the sentimentality that made 7 a phenomenon and it has to be far from 4 quadrant. I would assume TF5 , among other films, would have a broader audience and dethrone FF.
  6. Yeah it can go either way. A lot of inconsistency lately. WW, Mummy and AC all looked 40-60m OD on Sunday but did 70-120m. The theater capacity and fanbase is there to have a 400m OD. It could have 100m in PS and do 4x or PS goes up 100% late. I agree with @firedeep, anywhere from 1b-1.38b will happen and we may not be able to tighten that up until noon Friday.
  7. @nomyth on his third try. Nice job @aabattery must pray to the Actuals God or Jobu. The usual suspects do not make the top 5 his week Studio Estimates 1 nomyth 83.52 2 Padre 82.67 3 aabattery 82.02 4 Fancyarcher 81.68 5 lilmac 81.46 6 WrathOfHan 81.34 7 Exxdee 80.64 8 Bates 80.21 9 The Fast and the Furiosa 80.11 10 damnitgeorge08 79.90 11 Rolling Thunder 79.76 12 PanaMovie 77.54 13 Matrix4You 77.36 14 M37 77.35 15 moviecriticguy 77.28 16 Derby Average 77.25 17 kayumanggi 77.17 18 Blankments 75.95 19 TalismanRing 75.92 20 darkelf 75.71 21 Keanu 75.56 22 Lights Camera Action 75.53 23 ZeeSoh 75.16 24 T-700 74.71 25 POTUS 74.54 26 Tower 74.43 27 luxneji 74.43 28 Simionski 74.10 29 lucaninja7 74.00 30 24Lost 80.80 31 flyingace98 73.94 32 Boxx93 73.53 33 3dHene 73.19 34 24Lost 72.79 35 ChipMunky 72.55 36 boxofficeth 72.54 37 Wildbill 72.04 38 8wombi7 71.98 39 JMorphin 69.76 40 Jerry 68.37 41 cannastop 67.68
  8. Yup, It's going up 25% today. If it tracks CA3 it will come in at 110m. We've seen 100% gains in the last day or two lately that would take it to 140-150m. Then there is the 3+ OD multi possibility. I won't rule out FF8s OD just yet.
  9. I think Dangal and pirates will both fall short of the next century by 10-20m. They will be at 1260s and 1160s on thursday after having a 28-30m week.
  10. AC might not match yesterday. Only other movie I recall was PR. Even GitS bumped small. That's going to be down 95% on Friday. Mummy and WW gonna bump 50 and 70%. Dangal 100%
  11. Everything held well. I thought that would get killed. You're in luck @Rolling Thunder. Won't talk about how well @Matrix4You is doing, he's dead last this week. @aabattery in the hunt. @WrathOfHan having a feast week. @TalismanRing and are I are off our game again. "I came at night" was not reported. Out of 90% DHD Fri PM 1 WrathOfHan 74.26 2 aabattery 74.19 3 damnitgeorge08 73.97 4 lilmac 73.94 5 nomyth 73.43 6 The Fast and the Furiosa 72.29 7 Fancyarcher 71.99 8 Bates 71.68 9 Rolling Thunder 71.38 10 PanaMovie 71.34 11 Exxdee 70.72 12 Padre 70.27 13 moviecriticguy 68.87 14 M37 68.47 15 Derby Average 68.43 16 kayumanggi 67.50 17 Simionski 67.39 18 Keanu 67.19 19 TalismanRing 66.96 20 lucaninja7 66.91 21 Tower 66.84 22 Blankments 66.72 23 flyingace98 66.27 24 darkelf 66.16 25 Boxx93 66.09 26 T-700 65.81 27 POTUS 65.61 28 Lights Camera Action 65.52 29 24Lost 80.80 30 ZeeSoh 65.35 31 Wildbill 64.86 32 luxneji 63.62 33 8wombi7 63.50 34 boxofficeth 62.74 35 24Lost 62.45 36 ChipMunky 62.35 37 JMorphin 62.09 38 3dHene 61.63 39 Jerry 60.44 40 cannastop 60.20 41 Matrix4You 75.46
  12. Yup, not picking up steam. They only added 2k shows today vs 7k yesterday. Unless they add 5k more it will be in the 30s. Maybe they add 10k tomorrow and we get a bigger pop.
  13. Hard to say. CBO went up 50% from 2014 to 15 but a lot of sequels have not increased with it, eg GOTG increased just a few percent. @olive has said that sequels seldom decrease. TF4 did $320m. It could increase just a few percent like FF8 did. It needs a 20% boost to match it.