Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. Lion is supposed to be awful. Screened on TWC's yacht during Cannes and my friends heard people talking about how bad it was throughout the whole festival. The Austrailain Film Comission were promoting every film they had and explicitly didn't promote Lion. It tested more than a year ago and people didn't like it then either. I think it is keeping its release date so that TWC looks like less of a mess.
  2. I could see Love and Friendshup picking up a couple noms considering how weak the early race is. Things will pop up, but for right now -- jeez. I'd say it could score these noms in order of likeliness-- Costume Design Adapted Screenplay (I think writers could really geek out about this.) Production Design Best Actress-Beckinsale (Could win the comedy globe.) Best Supporting Actor-Bennett Best Picture Kate and the costumes will probably be on my personal ballot.
  3. Red Turtle is going to win this and get a score nomination. I've heard rumors that Finding Dory isn't great and am expecting it to falter -- has Disney ever landed three here? 1. Red Turtle 2. Moana 3. Zootopia 4. Kubo and the Two Strings 5. April and the Extraordinary World
  4. Zootopia also didn't premiere at Cannes. You're also comparing 7 reviews to 200. A Cannes premiere is more likely to produce more critical reviews than a wide release. Look at films like Louder than Bombs which jumped about 15 points on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes when it rolled out, or Inside Out even. And the British are being more generous to this film than the French and German, which is mainly who I was referring to when I mentioned European response. It's already at a 72 on Metacritic -- the reviews are already similar to Zootopia and Jungle Book in a much more competitive atmosphere.
  5. I mean, the trend is obvious. It debuts on Metacritic with a 72, but it is sitting at about a 6.5 on the ApitchatPoll. American studio films nearly always are better received stateside than in Europe and that is true for Spielberg too. This will appeal to the middle and lowbrow critics not at Cannes more than it will the Slant and IndieWire writers. Anyways, it isn't like Zootopia or The Jungle Book were raved -- just universally critically acclaimed. I imagine this getting a slight worse response than Zootopia when this all settles. That's a blessing, because it really could've flopped.
  6. I think all this needed were for the reviews to be good and they are. American critics are going to like this more than European critics too. This should make more than 100 mil pretty easily.
  7. I've heard from test screenings that this is really awful.
  8. I don't do GD. I meant of what BOT predicted, so I sit around 81.4% too!
  9. On the game I got 79 correct and 7 of my alts, which I think is really good. But, the best film of the year being snubbed and the worst film of the year coming home with 12 noms makes me feel like a loser.
  10. Best Picture 01. The Big Short 02. Bridge of Spies 03. Brooklyn 04. Carol 05. Mad Max: Fury Road 06. The Martian 07. The Revenant 08. Spotlight Alts: 09. Room 10. Sicario Best Directing 01. Todd Haynes, Carol 02. Alejandro G. Inarritu, The Revenant 03. Adam McKay, The Big Short 04. George Miller, Mad Max: Fury Road 05. Ridley Scott, The Martian Alt: Tom McCarthy, Spotlight Best Actor in a Leading Role 01. Bryan Cranston, Trumbo 02. Matt Damon, The Martian 03. Leonardo DiCaprio, The Revenant 04. Michael Fassbender, Steve Jobs 05. Eddie Redmayne, The Danish Girl Alt: Steve Carrell, The Big Short Best Actress in a Leading Role 01. Cate Blanchett, Carol 02. Brie Larson, Room 03. Jennifer Lawrence, Joy 04. Saoirse Ronan, Brooklyn 05. Charlotte Rampling, 45 Years Alt: Alicia Vikander, The Danish Girl Best Actor in a Supporting Role 01. Christian Bale, The Big Short 02. Tom Hardy, The Revenant 03. Mark Ruffalo, Spotlight 04. Mark Rylance, Bridge of Spies 05. Sylvester Stallone, Creed Alt: Idris Elba, Beasts of No Nation Best Actress in a Supporting Role 01. Jennifer Jason Leigh, The Hateful Eight 02. Rooney Mara, Carol 03. Helen Mirren, Trumbo 04. Alicia Vikander, The Danish Girl 05. Kate Winslet, Steve Jobs Alt: Alicia Vikander, Ex Machina Best Writing (Original Screenplay) 01. Bridge of Spies 02. Ex Machina 03. The Hateful Eight 04. Inside Out 05. Spotlight Alt: Sicario Best Writing (Adapted Screenplay) 01. The Big Short 02. Brooklyn 03. Carol 04. Room 05. Steve Jobs Alt: The Martian Best Animated Feature 01. Anomalisa 02. The Good Dinosaur 03. Inside Out 04. The Peanuts Movie 05. Shaun the Sheep Alt: The Prophet Best Music (Original Score) 01. Bridge of Spies 02. Carol 03. The Hateful Eight 04. Spotlight 05. Star Wars: The Force Awakens Alt: Inside Out Best Music (Original Song) 01. Earned It, Fifty Shades of Grey 02. See You Again, Furious 7 03. Simple Song #3, Youth 04. Til It Happens to You, The Hunting Ground 05. Writing’s on the Wall, Spectre Alt: The Light That Never Fails, Meru Best Film Editing 01. The Big Short 02. Mad Max: Fury Road 03. The Martian 04. The Revenant 05. Spotlight Alt: Bridge of Spies Best Cinematography 01. Bridge of Spies 02. Carol 03. Mad Max: Fury Road 04. The Revenant 05. Sicario Alt: The Hateful Eight Best Art Direction 01. Bridge of Spies 02. Carol 03. The Danish Girl 04. Mad Max: Fury Road 05. Star Wars: The Force Awakens Alt: The Martian Best Costume Design 01. Carol 02. Cindererlla 03. Crimson Peak 04. The Danish Girl 05. Mad Max: Fury Road Alt: The Revenant Best Makeup 01. Black Mass 02. Mad Max: Fury Road 03. The Revenant Alt: The 100-Year-Old Man Who Climbed out the Window and Disappeared Best Sound Mixing 01. Mad Max: Fury Road 02. The Martian 03. The Revenant 04. Star Wars: The Force Awakens 05. Straight Outta Compton Alt: Bridge of Spies Best Sound Editing 01. Mad Max: Fury Road 02. The Martian 03. The Revenant 04. Sicario 05. Star Wars: The Force Awakens Alt: Bridge of Spies Best Visual Effects 01. Jurassic World 02. Mad Max: Fury Road 03. The Martian 04. The Revenant 05. Star Wars: The Force Awakens Alt: Ant Man Bonus! Best Foreign Language Film 01. The Brand New Testament 02. Mustang 03. Son of Saul 04. Viva 05. A War Best Documentary Feature 01. Amy 02. Cartel Land 03. He Named Me Malala 04. Listen to Me Marlon 05. The Look of Silence
  11. PGA can't be used on its own for very obvious reasons. Especially when it is missing Carol. If the only hype that can be mustered for Sicario for BP is because of PGA and guild support, which IS the only hype that can be mustered, then it isn't getting nominated. It is textbook definition of a film that does well with guilds and falters at the Oscars. And Blunt in actress... That's ridiculous. Lawrence is fine and no one is desperate enough for Blunt. Rampling, Mara, Vikander, Smith and even Schumer are ahead of her. Like... I can't even imagine where this idea comes from. She has three mentions from hodunk critic groups and that is all (in the US). Also, for Blunt to even be in the conversation means that the movie really didn't work, because the whole purpose of her character is to be submissive and that isn't what The Academy goes for. Even with a Globe nom, she wouldn't be happening and she couldn't even get that. Even Cotillard hit one precursor last year and she had Fonda campaigning for her. Blunt doesn't care about the Oscar and no one does. It is deader than Joy in Best Picture. Hitting BAFTA alone never has only equaled a nom for Riva in past years, which was a foreign film and never going to do well at the Globes/SAG/BFCA (sometimes even ineligible). And Sicario isn't Amour, which was top five best picture with a directing nom. Del Toro probably won't happen, but could be a surprise. Once again, Sicario has 6 screenplay mentions from hodunk critic orgs. Compare the to Ex Machina's BAFTA nod, BFCA nod, BIFA nod and a ton of critic mentions. So, no Sicario isn't going to break out big at the Oscars. And it surely isn't an alternate for best director.
  12. Can someone explain why they would put Sicario in anything besides cinematog, editing and sound?
  13. Sicario is strictly a guild play and Blunt hasn't happened anywhere. It just isn't happening.
  14. Spotlight is still the frontrunner... And Bridge of Spies is locked at 5th or 6th. It has overperformed at EVERY precursors.