Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  2. Hi Olive. Do you have the weekend actuals?
  3. I actually thought Mummy would do fairly well in China. It seems like a Tom Cruise big action spectacle, and Mission Impossible films have done well in the market.
  4. When do we usually know whether an extension will be granted?
  5. Avatar 2 should at minimum become the highest-grossing film again in China when released. It won't be released until January 2021 most likely in China, so that's 3+ years of additional market growth and inflation. I agree with @IronJimbo that a good benchmark would be over $700 million for Avatar 2 in China. In 2010, Avatar tripled the next highest-grossing film in China at the time.
  6. True, I'm not saying Avatar 2 would make $1 billion if released today in China. Just that $204 million in 2010 was an insanely impressive figure for China's market size at the time.
  7. Avatar 2 will likely make F7 and F8's OS grosses look small in comparison. I wouldn't rule out it being the first franchise with back to back $2 billion OS films. It will drop in a lot of markets because of the exchange rates, but the gains in China will make up for it. The first film made $204 million in China seven years ago, which adjusts to almost $1 billion today.
  8. The detail in the environment is amazing. Pandora still remains the most beautiful fictional world ever created.
  9. It only made $400,000 this weekend internationally without Japan. I'm guessing the UK is responsible for a large portion of that. BatB has now outpaced F8 both domestic and international weekend (based on estimates), with the gap in the latter continuing to grow.
  10. Monday seems to be stronger than usual for some films.
  11. Furious 7 made another $5 million after a much stronger Memorial Day weekend gross. I think F8 has $3 million maximum left domestic with the same legs. OS, it dropped 54% last week even though its best remaining market (Japan) did not have any major new releases like Pirates to contend with. Its second best remaining market right now is Brazil if I'm not mistaken, where Wonder Woman will be a big draw. I think another >50% drop will happen OS this week. I'm thinking around $8 million more OS and a WW finish around $1.233 billion. Either way, its placement in the Top OS and worldwide rankings will remain unchanged.
  12. Universal will have the biggest OS franchises for the next few years until Avatar 2 and its sequels come out. I think Jurassic World 2 has a shot at crossing $1 billion OS again if China increases (which I suspect it will since it had terrific legs). I'm not sure if Star Wars will ever cross $1 billion OS again in current ER situation.
  13. Comparing to Avatar makes everything look poor in comparison when it's not. For example, only 4 other films have even surpassed 50% of Avatar's OS gross. F8 is only at 49% of Avatar's OS haul so far, yet nobody would say that it's anything short of a terrific OS performance.