Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. I am willing to cuck for the Alien franchise until the end of my days. I will merrily admit my biases.
  2. I can assure you that I am not the only one holding this opinion. Even ultra-leftist philosopher Slavoj Zizek agrees with me on this subject.
  3. You are vulgarizing what I said. I did not say anything about any conspiracy, what I am referring to is an already pre-existing ideological bias. In the case of Ghostbusters (2016) because some people made sexist and misogynistic remarks about it on the internet, many critics felt compelled to give the film a positive review in order to establish their opposition to the sexists, misogynists and so on and so forth. No conspiracy required here. I don't think that this is an outlandish suspicion one can have, at all.
  4. I can't tell anyone what to think or believe. But in my honest estimation, both are grossly overrated to a degree impossible without some kind of ideological compulsion. For most ideologically-bent people, things tend to be either/or, hence what we are witnessing today.
  5. Under the current environment, a not-so-outlandish-suspicion one can have. When Ghostbusters somehow got away with a 73%, and Moonlight walked away with the Oscar then how is it possible to deny the existence of a hefty PC-premium in Hollywood today? Some things are just self-evident.
  6. Yes, @Biggestgeekever is absolutely correct. Expectations for POTC3 were through the roof. Dead Man's Chest was a juggernaut and Depp could do no wrong back then. That movie was as hotly anticipated as Age of Ultron, no exaggeration there.
  7. So cinema ticket prices have increased far less than the rate of overall inflation in Russia in the past 6 years or so.
  8. But! These numbers are not inflation adjusted.
  9. True. But Hulk is simply unsuitable as a leading movie character, but has worked out very well as a supporting one.
  10. Also, Margot as Harley Quinn was a masterstroke, and the marketing campaign was one of the best ever devised by Hollywood. If SS was any good, it would have annihilated the BO.
  11. Look, if the movie is as good as GOTG or Iron Man, then I'm with you, this may indeed break the $300M barrier. But I cannot assume that at this moment. I am assuming that it's just par for the course (like DS was) and in that case, I see something between 200-250 million domestic. Iron Man & GOTG became household names because everything clicked with those movies. The cast, RDJ has been one of the best castings of all time as Iron Man. Chris Pratt & co. are also perfectly cast for Guardians. Moreover, those two movies (franchises) deliver on action, special effects , etc... IF (and that is a massive "if") Wonder Woman delivers as much as Iron Man & GOTG, then sure, why not? But I think it's fair to say that that is not very likely.
  12. Being iconic doesn't mean everything, but it's definitely a factor. GOTG was pretty darned good as well as something quite different. I don't think that WW will be any of those two things.