Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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George Parr

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  1. Well, mostly thanks to China. China is to the FF franchise what the domestic market is to Star Wars. Take out China and just look at all the other international markets, and BatB tops F8 this year, just like TFA (by a lot) and JW topped FF7. You obviously can't just remove one market from the international take, but not pointing out that this is caused by China to the largest extend, is missing out on facts as well. It has reached a point where China can screw up all comparisons, meaning it could be worthwile to split the numbers into three categories, domestic, China, and the rest.
  2. Ha, that movie did feel a bit odd to me, but I was too lazy to check at that point, so I just went with it. Anyway, the point remains.
  3. That comment pretty much amounts to "what hits has the actor left if you remove all his hits?", I don't think that makes much sense. You will be hard-pressed to find any actor who had more than a handful of true hits. Quite a few of the supposedly 'money-actors' don't really have any big hits at all, but plenty of modestly successful movies. Just take Denzel Washington. Unless I missed one movie, his biggest hit was Django Unchained, with just 162m domestically. Remove his top 4-5 movies and he never tops 100m.
  4. I'm surprised nothing else dropped from the last trend. Don't know about the south of the country, but here in the north the weather couldn't really be much better, it is warm and sunny today.
  5. If POTC 2 and 3 count as desasters then I wouldn't be against Hollywood producing another few desasters in the near future... The second movie was awesome, maybe not quite a match for the first one, but rather close to it. It doesn't quite have the same adventure tone as the first one, being a bit darker instead, but beyond that it's great, a lot of humor and plenty of great action. Part 3 has its ups and downs, but taken as a whole it is still very entertaining.
  6. Well, it's not like it hasn't happened before. The first one was done by a whole bunch of people, with Zimmer just doing the main theme and a few bits and pieces here and there. Most of the music came from his associates, which is the reason why Klaus Badelt got listed as the official composer. Geoff Zanelli was one of the additional composers on the first and third movie, so it's not like he doesn't have experience with the franchise.
  7. 20m Euro would sound overly optimistic to me. Looking at its current admissions to money ratio, the movie would need about 2.5m admissions to get to 20m Euro. It is currently sitting at around 1.6m or so, and since it isn't listed in the trend and no.5 ends up with around 50k or so, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of steam left. Maybe it can get to 15m, but 20m seem very unlikely to me.
  8. Ouch, good weather strikes again, the third trend is in: #1 GotG 2 420k (-44%) #2 Get Out 175k #3 FF8 135k (-50%) #4 The Boss Baby 65k (-18%) #5 Smurfs 45k (-25%) #6 Expedition Happiness 40k? #7 BatB 40k (-45%)
  9. 2nd trend is up at insidekino: #1 GotG 2 500k #2 Get Out 200k #3 FF8 140k #4 Boss Baby 60k #5 Smurfs 50k #6 Expedition Happiness 40k? #7 BatB 40k so basically everything down a bit from the first one
  10. I think that has more to do with Monday being a holiday and thus Sunday not acting like it normally would. I wouldn't see any indication of the movie's future legs in that.
  11. I think the updates from BOM, the numbers, etc. are kind of useless anyway, due to the completely idiotic way they handle exchange rates. Those should be applied at the very least on a weekly basis, instead of recounting the total with the latest exchange rate. I mean, just look at the following data from TFA: It left theaters in the UK at the end of May, sitting at $180m, following some rather absurd swings. Then it happened to run in some open-air venues in the summer, which somehow caused its total to lose almost 20m because the Pound happened to be weaker at that time. That just doesn't make any sense.
  12. I don't know about that. FF6 had a 19.6m 3rd weekend, putting it roughly 10m ahead of F8 at the same point in time, yet it only finished with 238m while having summer weekdays. Even if F8 would somehow get a 20m weekend, it would need some excellent drops over the next weeks to catch up to FF6, much less top it by up to 10m. With GotG 2 coming up, I don't really see that happening.
  13. I don't think there is much of a chance for that. FF7 "only" made 1.163b or so, and FF8 is doing worse than that movie in most of the markets. With China not changing much from the last one, there is little chance of keeping the same level, much less improving on it.
  14. Third trend is in, pretty much everything seems to be down: #1 FF8 550k #2 Boss Baby 225k #3 Smurfs 190k #4 BatB 160k #5 Conni & Co 2 90k #6 Going in Style 80k #7 The Bye Bye Man 47.5k #8 GitS 42.5k everything else below 40k
  15. 2nd trend by insidekino: #1 FF8 575k #2 Boss Baby 260k #3 Smurfs 3 220k #4 BatB 180k #5 Conni & Co 2 105k #6 Going in Style 80k #7 The Bye Bye Man 50k #8 GitS 45k everything else at 35k or lower