Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. I think we over use the term "flop". A movie isn't a flop if it makes money. Maybe under-performing, maybe disappointing, but not a flop. If you call every movie that doesn't live up to the box office expectations a flop, what are you going to call the movies that lose millions? Save the word flop for movies that deserve it, like King Arthur. Now that's a flop.
  2. College is pretty much done in the US, and some number of High Schools have had their graduations this weekend. Also, have a big 3 day weekend coming.
  3. Always a possibility, but that's a lot of trouble to go to just to mess with people. That's also a man's art, I'm not sure he'd appreciate being just a marketing ploy. But hey, lot's of free publicity for his work.
  4. Just when you thought we had final numbers, BOM updates their's with the following: Domestic: $100,014,699 33.0% + Foreign: $203,129,453 67.0% = Worldwide: $303,144,152
  5. Out DC fanboys are going to be all over it...and so am I!
  6. Out, anything Aliens related will hit well over $100M.
  7. He got burned on the Passengers Under $100M club he started because the studio nursed it to $100M. Of course that's a very rare action by a studio and probably unnecessary most of the time.
  8. Couldn't agree more, they managed to make a origin story set during WWII really exciting and interesting. It could've been a disaster, very easily, and I was convinced it would be. If this is like Capt A I'm in!
  9. The real story is that D+ Cinemascore, and the 26% audience score on RT. Woo, that's baaaaaad.
  10. Much much better release date. The movie has a chance to grab an audience now without too much heavy competition. It will probably be decent at a minimum, Francis Lawrence isn't Spielberg, but he's a solid director who doesn't make bad movies.
  11. For those that think critics don't have agendas, I leave you with this article posted today on Vox about what they call Socially Conscious Criticism, which sounds an awful lot like a political agenda, but that's just me. Passengers is featured, and what it says is that the most important complaint was the morality of the storyline, not the movie itself. They also talk about GITS. http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20/15179232/socially-conscious-criticism
  12. Just to make it clear, I agree that it was not a great movie, the third act was really bad. I still can't understand where they came up with that.
  13. Don't get me wrong, it certainly would have been more mysterious, and I'm intrigued by the concept, but he's making the assumption that the only problem people had with the movie was just the movie itself. In some cases that's a fact, people just didn't like it, but for a lot of the critics that labelled it as all sorts of evil, and that was a lot of critics, I think this version only makes that worse. If you make Jim truly creepy you would find Aurora's forgiveness even more unacceptable than it already is in their minds. Then the only fix would be him dying, or maybe choosing to go back into hibernation leaving him to die alone. Without showing how you end this version his entire premise is only half baked.
  14. For some people, mostly critics and pundits, the fact Jim woke her up is the only thing that matters. How you position it in the movie doesn't change that at all, other then the fact you don't watch it happen. There was a buzz in the industry, and I had seen it written in some articles about the movie early in the production, that there was a "problem" with him waking her up. Remember, this script was out there for 9 years, everybody knew what was going to happen. I feel most critics went in with their knives sharpened, and the only thing that would've changed the reaction is Aurora killing Jim, leaving him to die in space, or maybe going back to hibernation at the end. Nothing short of that would've changed the outcome. I think a better executed movie would've helped a little bit, but not enough to raise it up to respectable ratings. This comment from the producer, Neil Moritz, shows that in testing these issues never came up. Which means this was mostly a concoction of the critics and press, not the general public. That's why the movie was able to recover and make some money, because while there were people who saw that didn't like it, none I know thought the accusations of rape, etc. were justified.
  15. These are Johann Johannsson's credits. He's been nominated for two Oscar's, and won a Globe. I thought the score for Sicario was awesome, Arrival was good too. He may not be your cup of tea, but I wouldn't classify him as inferior. 2012 Mystery Winner – Golden Horse Awards for Best Original Film Score.[6] Nominated – Asian Film Awards for Best Composer. 2013 Prisoners 2014 The Theory of Everything Winner – Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score. Nominated – Academy Award for Best Original Score. Nominated – BAFTA Award for Best Film Music Nominated – Grammy Award for Best Score Soundtrack for Visual Media 2015 Sicario Nominated – Academy Award for Best Original Score. Nominated – BAFTA Award for Best Film Music 2016 Lovesong 2016 Arrival Nominated – Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score Nominated – BAFTA Award for Best Film Music. 2017 Blade Runner 2049 2017 mother!