Sunshine, Light, and Joy


This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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  1. According presales, it seems headed to make about 1b Yuan/$145m 5-day opening in China (there are some holidays on Monday and Tuesday after the OW). Said this, it could have just a x1.5 multiplier, so maybe $220m total. I think it is quite likely that China > DOM.
  2. In, sure. 110-120 region.
  3. Ok, I buy the Thanksgiving argument. I had not realized of it. I change it to 175/390.
  4. The multipliers are becoming lower and lower for this kind of film. And it does not matter if the film is well or bad received. BvS had a x2 multiplier (a little lower). But even a very well received film like Civil War had x2.28 multiplier, very similar to Man of Steel, for example. IMO, this will need a 190-200 opening to reach $450m. Right now, I do not see it. Similar opening and barely better legs than BvS. 175/375.
  5. May 12th - 18th: 1. Blade Runner 2049 2. Justice League 3. Avengers: Infinity War 4. Dunkirk 5. Wonder Woman 6. Coco 7. War for the Planet of the Apes 8. Murder on the Orient Express 9. Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi 10. Black Panther
  6. A masterpiece. One of my favorite films ever, not only animated. Probably in my top 10 or top 15. Pure magic.
  7. This. It is like Chinese people only devour trash films and they are the only who do it. The same people who complain about Chinese tastes could remember that those films are made in Hollywood and are watched EVERYWHERE. The Transformers saga has grossed 3.2 billion outside China and 1.3 billion DOM, for example. And they could remember too when China makes big grosses with better received films like Zootopia, A dog's purpose or now with Dangal. And I did not read nobody complaining about Chinese tastes when Marvel or Jurassic World or Jungle Book or Interstellar or X-Men or Harry Potter or Hobbit or Apes... did/do great grosses there. People watch good and bad films everywhere, not just in China. Let's be more respectful.
  8. Decrease in dollars but increase in local currency, that is what really matters when we talk about a single market.
  9. Agreed with @picores Very hard to say, like everywhere. If I have to bet today, I would say around 5 million admissions (like SW7), what would mean, with a reasonable 3D ratio, about 35-40 million euros. 1/2 of first part. But I insist, it is a very random prediction.
  10. Sure. Not top 5, but 50 too 1. Titanic: 11,265,694 2. Avatar: 9,536,218 3. Ocho apellidos vascos: 9,394,374 4. E.T. The Extraterrestrial: 8,146,271 5. Doctor Zhivago: 7,257,550 6. LOTR 1: The Fellowship of the Ring: 7,041,329 7. Star Wars IV: A New Hope: 6,900,868 8. LOTR 3: The Return of the King: 6,812,453 9. The Sixth Sense: 6,762,480 10. The Little Priest: 6,595,454 11. LOTR 2: The Two Towers: 6,432,088 12. The Others: 6,410,561 13. The Lion King: 6,319,833 14. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone: 6,312,765 15. Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace: 6,259,121 16. The Impossible: 6,129,025 17. Shrek 2: 6,079,145 18. Jurassic Park: 5,971,488 19. Jaws: 5,918,390 20. Ocho apellidos catalanes: 5,739,599 21. For a few dollars more: 5,520,971 22. Pirates of the Caribbean 2: 5,495,970 23. The Graduate: 5,368,176 24. Torrente 2: 5,321,969 25. Superman: 5,267,944 26. Spider-man: 5,249,541 27. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets: 5,217,643 28. The Da Vinci Code: 5,071,930 29. A Clockwork Orange: 5,034,084 30. Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens: 5,002,215 31. Finding Nemo: 4989415 32. They call me Trinity: 4,988,173 33. The Godfather: 4,986,606 34. Mortadelo y Filemón: 4,985,983 35. Mary Poppins: 4,984,314 36. Gladiator: 4,964,409 37. Beauty and the Beast (1992): 4,927,692 38. The sound of music: 4,890,799 39. Pirates of the Caribbean: 4,875,624 40. The Exorcist: 4,811,549 41. Tarzan: 4,796,008 42. Por mis pistolas: 4,777,945 43. Basic Instinct: 4,764,943 44. Seven brides for seven brothers: 4,749,109 45. Ben Hur: 4,651,872 46. A monster calls: 4,628,462 47. El señor doctor: 4,581,885 48. Trinity is still my name!: 4,550,809 49. The Towering Inferno: 4,505,416 50. The Orphanage: 4,420,636
  11. ... and that second part whose name I can not remember... Talking about serious things, maybe we have to wait another 20 years until Avatar is beaten in euros... Such impressive gross!! I did not see it at theaters and I do not find it a good film, but I recognize that Cameron knows how to make people go to watch movies
  12. So, you think we should have the 9 Harry Potter films and the 5 Twilight films in the top 14??? Then, you should see the top 50 adjusted...
  13. POTC4 already did $60m in 2011. Pirates was already expected to do big figures, although not as big as F8. Who knows what will happen now...
  14. Avatar was an anomaly (like was everywhere). 8 Apellidos Vascos sold nearly the same amount of admissions and look the difference in gross. The 3D doping was absurd. The reality is that the market is in fact recovering after very hard years. Last year we recovered the 100m admissions mark, something that did not happen since 2010. I would say that SW8 will fall to maybe €25m.