Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Moana | 11/23/16 | Teaser Trailer on Page 33

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What is Disney s 2015 Christmas movie ? A Pixar right ?

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Disney adding another princess to the line. lol

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Disney adding another princess to the line. lol

 

As far as I can tell, there are no princesses in this film.

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Condescending Headline Alert

 

"Frozen' Effect: Disney Announces 'Moana,' A New Girl-Powered Animated Film for 2016"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/10/20/frozen-effect-disney-announces-moana-a-new-girl-powered-animated-film-for-2016/

 

Yeah, because Disney has never made an animated movie with a female lead before Frozen...

 

I'm excited about this more than any other upcoming animated film. I love the creative team and their previous movies  and the premise and location sounds fantastic.

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As far as I can tell, there are no princesses in this film.

The princess name is used loosely by Disney anyway. Pochantas and Mulan say Hello. 

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Is this going to be a musical? If not, it's probably going to do Tangled/Wreck-it Ralph numbers. If it is a musical, $750 million-$1 billion. Disney animation (excluding Pixar) does its absolute best when it is in a musical format. 

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The Frozen songwriters are rumored to be on this one actually.

 

And I think the character will not be a princess in title, but still used in the line for merchandise purposes. So kind of like Mulan and Pocahontas.

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Well this should play well in Hawaii. I was born at a hospital on Ala Moana Blvd!

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Director team of Aladdin & Little Mermaid.  Welp. $$$$$$$$$$$$

 

The Princess and the Frog too, though.

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The Princess and the Frog too, though.

 

Wonderful movie, with a great heroine, beautiful animation and marvelous music.  It just got caught in the CGI animated tidal wave. :angry:

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Yeah, because Disney has never made an animated movie with a female lead before Frozen...

People always forget--even professional movie critics. Moana will once again be the first Disney "princess" who actually has her own mind and you know, does stuff, unlike all of the other zombie-like Stepford ones that came before her. Then she, too, will be forgotten when the next one comes along. :rolleyes:

Actually, if you watch even the very first Disney animated feature, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, with this subject expressly in mind, Snow White herself is hardly how people tend to stereotypically view her. She was staying at the Dwarfs' home, so naturally she would offer to help keep house, and on top of that she pretty much took control and whipped those slobs into shape. :lol: I love how she used sarcasm and mocked Grumpy's affected attitude (for his own good). I wouldn't call her modern, but she's not what people tend to think she is, either, which would be like Giselle in her animated form in Enchanted, but that was a parody, not an accurate representation.

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It's funny, Disney's canon seems to be a rare case of negative revisionist history. Everyone thinks all of their female protagonists before were dainty and helpless and needed their man to survive. 

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Agreed, to the media Disney "princesses" are like Bond "girls". This time, for the first time she has her own mind and is a strong woman. 

 

(Pussy Galore says 'f you)

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To be fair, they did occasionally literally need a man to survive (Kiss at the end of Snow White, Beast saving Belle from wolves), but that's just an element of romance storytelling. There's no point pairing two people together if they don't have to lean on each other at some point.

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^ Disney princesses have had their issues but they are always less significant their critics claim, and basically result of the original fairytales Disney did not think to change since there was not this kind of critisicim of female film characters back then. And after Pocahontas there has not been any issues unless you are some kind of hard-core feminist. But most of the critics were too old for those films so they have really dated view of what Disney princesses are based on largely Disney merchandice.

Anyway I think the Lion King and Tarzan composer was confirmed for the score. If Disney refuses to work with Menken again then the Lopezes are the best for songs, I hope that happens.

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Looks sweet, reminds me of Wind Waker actually

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It's not even 2015 and Disney has won 2016 for me. Moana, Zootopia, Cap 3, Doctor Strange, Finding Dory. Is beautiful man.

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