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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Moana | 11/23/16 | Teaser Trailer on Page 33

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It's funny, Disney's canon seems to be a rare case of negative revisionist history. Everyone thinks all of their female protagonists before were dainty and helpless and needed their man to survive.

Yeah, while the guys have historically done most of the rescuing, my point is that aside from circumstances the princess characters themselves aren't THAT different. The main difference between the early and more modern Disney princesses is that the latter are given better opportunities to take the initiative and/or happen to do more of the rescuing. The key is that whenever there is any kind of an innovation, it is hyped like crazy, and then out come the stereotypes again.

If you look at the big picture, though, is Anna, for instance, much different from Snow White in terms of the basics? They're both cute and awfully sweet, but can be feisty at times--although there are many specific details that make their personalities quite distinct from one another, Anna is nevertheless basically the kind of princess character that Walt Disney himself envisioned in the 1930s. :) And this makes sense because the directors of Frozen expressly drew much of their inspiration from the earliest Disney classics. Then they made a few tweaks for modern audiences, as WDAS has been doing for decades now, and the media went nuts and convinced themselves that it's completely new...again!

 

To be fair, they did occasionally literally need a man to survive (Kiss at the end of Snow White, Beast saving Belle from wolves), but that's just an element of romance storytelling. There's no point pairing two people together if they don't have to lean on each other at some point.

Right, and lately they've been doing the rescuing, too, and it really doesn't matter whether they are themselves rescued by a man or woman. Beast saved Belle from the wolves, but she saved him from freezing to death while in shock (returning to the castle to do so), and then she saved him from falling to his death later on (albeit he would die anyway from his knife wound); she also saved her father on three occasions (girl is a machine! ;)).

But aside from this, they're a lot like Snow White and Cinderella--it's mostly the stories and roles that are different.

 

But most of the critics were too old for those films so they have really dated view of what Disney princesses are based on largely Disney merchandice.

The Disney PrincessTM merchandise doesn't help in this regard because of how everything is made SO very girly, while the characters themselves are more balanced and have far more universal appeal (in their original forms, that is). This adds to the false perception of Disney being overly girly in general, I'm afraid. I mean, watch Frozen and tell me what is actually girly about it--pretty much nothing aside from the fact that the two lead characters happen to be female (the story would be practically the same if they were male instead). But many people tend to think of it as being girly anyway.

 

Anyway I think the Lion King and Tarzan composer was confirmed for the score.

Mark Mancina?

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I thought Mark Mancina was replaced by I don't remember where I read this.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if Christophe Beck is doing the score for this one. With the Lopez team doing the songs.

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It's not even 2015 and Disney has won 2016 for me. Moana, Zootopia, Cap 3, Doctor Strange, Finding Dory. Is beautiful man.

 

And SW spin-off, The BFG (Steven Spielberg), Alice 2...

 

Yeah, another great year.

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I thought Moana was WDA, not Pixar?

That's right, Moana is from WDAS (Walt Disney Animation Studios), not Pixar. I don't recall anybody here suggesting otherwise. The webpage that the OP posted a link to said "Disney and Pixar" and by this they meant WDAS and Pixar (separately) as opposed to Disney•Pixar, which is really just Pixar (or Pixar Animation Studios if we want to be pedantic).

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I'm surprised Disney has never thought of teaming up their Heroine's in an Avengers style team up

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Aside from Moana, Giants and Zootopia, what else is in the pipeline? Wasn't one of the 2018 films going to be a space based film?

Would like to see WDAS tackle Don Quixote which Walt was working on for years as well as The Count of Monte Cristo.

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I'm surprised Disney has never thought of teaming up their Heroine's in an Avengers style team up

 

 

They tried but animated RDJ cost too much

 

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Nice. If this is the next big fairytale/musical epic then there will be a ton of hype going into this. Disney's official follow-up to Frozen and Tangled. To be perfectly honest quality withstanding this could possibly be locked for $300 million. Animated musical fantasies are in again. And WDA is pretty much synonymous with that.

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They tried but animated RDJ cost too much

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50 million dollars just for his voice.

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My favorite directing duo in animation! I hope this combines the best elements of both Aladdin and The Little Mermaid.

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Just two years away? I thought it was a lot longer off! 

 

It's set primarily in the sea so I'm hoping it's a real epic adventure musical film that keeps the heart of Frozen and with a more creative/dynamic storyline. There's also this:

 

 

Something “fresh and original, not a fairytale movie,” apparently has a setting somewhere in the south pacific and a Tiki carving as a character… being developed in a new style of CG that’s somewhat like but certainly not identical to the techniques used on Paperman.

The exact look of their film is very much still in development at the moment, in parallel to the film’s character designs and storyboards, and there’s a little while before it will have to be locked in place for production to go full steam ahead.

 

Assuming it's true, I can't wait to see what the animation will look like! :D

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Aside from Moana, Giants and Zootopia, what else is in the pipeline? Wasn't one of the 2018 films going to be a space based film?

Would like to see WDAS tackle Don Quixote which Walt was working on for years as well as The Count of Monte Cristo.

I'm guessing that there could be that space movie (Disney doing aliens could lead to some cool character designs, especially with CGI.) or maybe even Frozen 2.

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It think Wreck-It Ralph 2 could also be happening. I hope not, I rather WDAS focus on original (better idea than Frozen 2 however). But maybe they decide not to do it if Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana make much more than Ralph.

I do not know about the space film. Space looked quite beautiful in Treasure Planet but space projects just remind me of stuff like Planet 51, Escape from Planet Earth and that Dreamworks Home film. I rather see King of Elves. That is not happening however.

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Everything I have read shows Mancina as doing the score.

 

Anyone have a link stating otherwise?

 

 

I thought Mark Mancina was replaced by I don't remember where I read this.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if Christophe Beck is doing the score for this one. With the Lopez team doing the songs.

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I doubt WDAS will do Frozen 2, think they'll concentrate on adapting it as a stage musical, Wreck it Ralph 2 is more likely.

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Does anyone know why they moved this two years ahead of schedule? I thought this was originally slated for the year 2018. 

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Does anyone know why they moved this two years ahead of schedule? I thought this was originally slated for the year 2018. 

 

probably to not have a slump after big hero 6

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