Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Moana | 11/23/16 | Teaser Trailer on Page 33

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It think Wreck-It Ralph 2 could also be happening. I hope not, I rather WDAS focus on original (better idea than Frozen 2 however). But maybe they decide not to do it if Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana make much more than Ralph.

I doubt WDAS will do Frozen 2, think they'll concentrate on adapting it as a stage musical, Wreck it Ralph 2 is more likely.

There are some in WDAS who actually want to make Wreck-It Ralph 2, director Rich Moore in particular, but it's iffy because the first movie wasn't their biggest hit of late and did so very poorly in terms of merchandise sales (especially for a Disney or Pixar animated feature). While the latter is far more of a direct concern at the corporate level than for WDAS, of course, it could still indicate that for whatever reasons the movie and its characters have not resonated with the public, and this is a concern.

As for Frozen 2, aside from the Lopezes and cast, few if any in WDAS want to make it, but that would be like turning down a sure blockbuster. Once again, this is more of a concern at the corporate level, but you'd better believe that WDAS, like Pixar, is generally concerned about the box office performance of their movies, too, because it can positively or negatively impact their prestige, clout, and ultimately their jobs. They try to have artistic integrity and to make the best movies they can out of the ideas that they want, but if they want to keep the crews they have and keep making $150-200 million movies, then they need to make as many big hits as they can whenever they can. They may not want to make Frozen 2, but there is going to be some pressure to seriously consider it, not just from the corporate management but from themselves, depending in part on how well their other movies perform. I'm sure that somebody is trying to come up with a viable concept for a sequel, and the management will be patient about this, but the pressure is probably going to build up over time. Who can refuse to make a sequel to a $1.3 billion movie this day and age? We shall see.

 

Does anyone know why they moved this two years ahead of schedule? I thought this was originally slated for the year 2018.

Maybe they don't want to wait so long for the next "princess" musical and/or its development has been moving along more quickly than other projects. More generally, WDAS has been "on fire" (Lasseter's words) regarding story development of late--fast, open, flexible, and just plain great (the projects that haven't moved ahead have been halted fairly early, too, probably showing good judgment regarding what can and cannot be developed within a reasonable time frame). Hopefully they haven't gotten overconfident regarding Moana and their other projects, but so far their fast pace has been working out for them very well indeed.

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probably to not have a slump after big hero 6

 

They have Zootopia coming out before Moana but yeah I get your point. 

 

Maybe they don't want to wait so long for the next "princess" musical and/or its development has been moving along more quickly than other projects. More generally, WDAS has been "on fire" (Lasseter's words) regarding story development of late--fast, open, flexible, and just plain great (the projects that haven't moved ahead have been halted fairly early, too, probably showing good judgment regarding what can and cannot be developed within a reasonable time frame). Hopefully they haven't gotten overconfident regarding Moana and their other projects, but so far their fast pace has been working out for them very well indeed.

 

Good points. I guess 5 years is a pretty ample amount of time to produce an animated film (Production started in 2011). I just wonder if there was some problem with Giants' production that caused them to push it back (now slated for 2018) and advance Moana to 2016. 

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Does anyone know why they moved this two years ahead of schedule? I thought this was originally slated for the year 2018. 

Well, from what I've been told, Giants hasn't gone that well in development. The ideas are there, but meshing them together is the issue. And with Moana going much better in development, they changed the release dates around instead of rushing Giants and making an inferior product.

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Well, from what I've been told, Giants hasn't gone that well in development. The ideas are there, but meshing them together is the issue. And with Moana going much better in development, they changed the release dates around instead of rushing Giants and making an inferior product.

 

Looks like Giants is going through the "The Snow Queen" and "Rapunzel" rough phase. :P

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Looks like Giants is going through the "The Snow Queen" and "Rapunzel" rough phase. :P

 

No complaints from me if Giants turns out to be as good as those two :)

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Hopefully Giants is not having a similar rough phase "Bear and the Bow" did however. 

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Eh, this doesn't sound particularly interesting... Of course it's entirely possible I'll change my mind once I learn more.

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Considering the fact that the cast for Big Hero 6 was unveiled last august or something I find this highly unlikely.

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They may truly be involved at the moment, but voice actors are probably one of the more replaceable people on an animated production

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I'm sure The Rock has a couple showtunes in him...  :lol:

The Rock can sing alright. He has sang for a wrestling promo at least.

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The Rock? I'm fine with him as long as he can sing properly.

But I'm here for them casting broadway actors for the roles once again.

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The Rock? I'm fine with him as long as he can sing properly.

But I'm here for them casting broadway actors for the roles once again.

The Rock can sing good enough. At least I think so.

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