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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Tower

Israel box office thread- Fast 8 destroys all

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I wasn't going to make this thread because local distributors like to guard their numbers as if it were a state secret, but I feel like I'm spamming the individual film threads with long posts about the Israeli box office, so this is the place for all of that.

 

The numbers that are available are from BOM, which has the numbers for the big studios only. There is also a local blog from a guy that knows people on the theatre side and gives ticket sales estimates for films when he can.

 

Total numbers for the market are better, and are available from the Central Bureau Of Statistics. edit: added 2015 numbers.

Israeli box office

theatres

screens

seats

admissions

change in admissions

change in admissions since 2006

population

Admissions per capita

2006

59

313

52,213

9,031,844

NA

NA

7.117M

1.27

2007

48

275

44,911

9,142,974

1.2%

1.2%

7.244M

1.26

2008

54

300

48,313

9,737,561

6.5%

7.8%

7.412M

1.31

2009

50

277

44,565

10,680,840

9.7%

18.3%

7.552M

1.41

2010

50

294

46,400

12,707,140

19%

40.7%

7.695M

1.65

2011

49

286

45,953

12,462,537

1.9%

38%

7.837M

1.59

2012

50

298

47,642

13,415,054

7.6%

48.5%

7.981M

1.68

2013

49

292

46,196

14,444,444

7.7%

59.9%

8.134M

1.78

2014

52

310

49,430

14,910,045

3.2%

65.1%

8.297M

1.8

2015

50

317

50,102

16,125,081

8.1%

78.5%

8.463M

1.91

 

Some interesting posts I have made in this thread:

 

Films with the most admissions each year.

Films with the most admissions since 2006.

Relative strength of film in Israel compared to Domestic.

Relative strength of film in Israel compared to OS.

Relative strength of film in Israel compared to WW.

successful films overall which bombed in Israel.

Multipliers from OW.

List of animated films.

List of comedies.

List of Superheroes.

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As I said in the OP exact box office numbers are not available but approximate admissions numbes are compiled by someone with connections in the industry.

 

Key:

black= English/hollywood

blue= Hebrew/Israeli

purple= other

 

2006:

1) Aviva, My Love: 302,000

2) POTC 2: 300,000

3) Over The Hedge: 285,000

4) Cars: 250,000

5) Da Vinci Code: 240,000

6) The Departed: 230,000

7) King Kong: 215,000

8) IA 2: 207,000

9) The Devil Wears Prada: 200,000

 

2007:

1) Ratatouille: 400,000

2) Shrek 3: 360,000

3) HP5: 350,000

4) Beaufort: 300,000

5) POTC 3: 225,000

6) The Bands Visit: 215,000

7) Bee Movie: 212,000

8) The Secrets: 208,000

9) The Lives Of Others (Germany): 200,000

9) Noodle: 200,000

 

2008:

1) KFP: 340,000

2) Lost Islands: 300,000

3) TDK: 280,000

4) Madagascar 2: 232,000

5) Wall-E: 227,000

6) Sex And The City: 220,000

6) Mamma Mia: 220,000

8) Shiva: 215,000

9) Zohan: 211,000

10) Hankok: 180,000

11) Vicki Christina Barcelona:150,000

 

2009:

1) Avatar: 1,300,000 (the big majority of which made in 2010)

2) Ice Age 3: 400,000

3) Up: 390,000

4) 2012: 320,000

5) Slumdog Millionaire: 300,000

6) Harry Potter 6: 280,000

7) Inglorious Basterds: 270,000

8) A Matter of Size: 200,000

8) FF4: 200,000

10) The Hangover: 193,000

11) Broken Embraces (Spain): 190,000

12) Monster Vs Aliens: 180,000

13) Yes Man: 170,000

14) Ajami: 165,000

15) the proposal: 160,000

16) Angels And Demons: 150,000

 

2010:

1) Zohi Sdom (This Is Sodom): 500,000

2) Alice In Wonderland: 450,000

3) Inception 420,000

4) Shrek 4: 407,000

5) Toy Story 3: 400,000

6) HP7: 320,000

7) Once I Was (The Matchmaker): 300,000

8) How To Train Your Dragon: 190,000

9) Step Up 3: 180,000

10) Eat Pray Love: 170,000

11) Despicable Me: 160,000

11) Red: 160,000

11) The Princess And The Frog: 160,000

14) Shutter Island: 150,000

14) Le Concert (France): 150,000

14) Mao's Last Dancer (Australia): 150,000

17) Salt: 140,000

17) Twilight 3: 140,000

 

2011:

1) The Smurfs: 560,000

2) The Hangover 2: 350,000

3) FF5: 330,000

4) HP8: 300,000

4) The Kings Speech: 300,000

6) POTC 4: 260,000

6) KFP2: 260,000

8) Footnote: 250,000

9) Rio: 230,000

10) Just Go With It: 170,000

11) Planet Of The Apes: 160,000

12) Johnny English 2: 150,000

12) Bridesmaids: 150,000

12) The Tourist: 150,000

15) Cars 2: 130,000

15) Transformers 3: 130,000

15) Black Swan: 130,000

15) The Kids Are All Right: 130,000

19) Horrible bosses: 120,000

19) Gnomeo: 120,000

(note: Twilight 4 numbers are not available but it wouldn't have been better than number 10 at most)

 

2012:

1) Madaggascar 3: 500,000

2) The Intouchables (France): 490,000 (opening to just 20K so over x24 multiplier)

3) Skyfall: 430,000

4) Ted: 400,000

5) IA4: 370,000

6) TDKR: 330,000

7) Hunger Games: 300,000

7) The Dictator: 300,000

9) The Hobbit: 290,000

10) Taken 2: 280,000

11) Fill The Void: 270,000

12) The Avengers: 250,000

12) Step Up 4: 250,000

14) TASM: 230,000

15) Haolam Matshik (The World Is Funny): 200,000

15) Twilight 5: 200,000

17) To Rome With Love: 190,000

 

2013:

1) Fast and Furious 6: 500,000

2) Smurfs 2: 490,000

3) Catching Fire: 450,000

4) Argo: 340,000

5) We're The Millers: 320,000

6) Despicable Me 2: 310,000

7) Olympus Has Fallen: 300,000

8) Django Unchained: 260,000

9) Grown Ups 2: 250,000

10) The Croods 230,000

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I wasn't going to make this thread because local distributors like to guard their numbers as if it were a state secret, but I feel like I'm spamming the individual film threads with long posts about the Israeli box office, so this is the place for all of that.

 

The numbers that are available are from BOM, which has the numbers for the big studios only. There is also a local blog from a guy that knows people on the theatre side and gives ticket sales estimates for films when he can.

 

Total numbers for the market are better, and are available from the Central Bureau Of Statistics.

 

Number of theatres:

2006: 59

2007: 48

2008: 54

2009: 50

2010: 50

2011: 49

 

Number of screens:

2006: 313

2007: 275

2008: 300

2009: 277

2010: 294

2011: 286

 

Number of seats:

2006: 52,213

2007: 44,911

2008: 48,313

2009: 44,565

2010: 46,400

2011: 45,953

 

tickets sold:

2006: 9,031,844

2007: 9,142,974 (+1.2%)

2008: 9,737,561 (+6.5%)

2009: 10,680,840 (+9.7%)

2010: 12,707,140 (+19%)

2011: 12,462,537 (-1.9%)

(final 2012 numbers haven't been released yet but it will be about 13M).

 

Wait a minute....Israel has a good population growth and an excellent GDP growth..And yet the number of screens and theaters is decreasing?

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So why did the number of theaters go down?

 

Since the 80's, when malls were built in Israel, theatres were built inside them. These theatres would pay less than regular stores because mall owners thought of theatres as a way of getting people to come to the mall, with the idea that once they come they will buy stuff from high paying regular shops. In the last few years malls have realized that theatres are no longer a draw for bringing new customers, so they kicked the theatres out. these 7-8 screen mall theatres have been replaced by huge megaplexes with 20+ screens. These new megaplexes have proven to be popular really popular with the public and increased attendance, the first of these megaplexes was at one point making 20% of the entire country's box office in its 30 screens. There are currently more of these megaplexes under construction so I expect the box office to be fine even if the theatre numbers won't show it

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Wait a minute....Israel has a good population growth and an excellent GDP growth..And yet the number of screens and theaters is decreasing?

 

See my post above, but looking into the future this should go up again. There aren't many mall theatres left to close but there are many new theatres under construction.

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Why did the number of screens fluctuate from 2007-2010?

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Why did the number of screens fluctuate from 2007-2010?

 

Because there has been a huge turnover, almost none of the theatres that existed 10 years ago are still around today, you just don't see it on the list because new ones have taken their place, but it does cause the numbers to go back and forth every year.

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The second post has been updated with admissions numbers since 2009.

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The second post has been updated with admissions numbers since 2009.

 

Hollywood is very dominant there, it was expected.No all-time top?

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Hollywood is very dominant there, it was expected.No all-time top?

 

I don't know the numbers before 2009, as I said local distributors are ridiculous and don't like releasing any numbers.

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I don't know the numbers before 2009, as I said local distributors are ridiculous and don't like releasing any numbers.

 

Correction, I found the numbers since 2006, and added them to the list.

 

Biggest films in admissions since 2006 (400K+):

 

1) Avatar: 1,300,000

2) Smurfs: 560,000

3) Zohi Sdom: 500,000

3) Madagascar 3: 500,000

5) The Intouchacles: 490,000

6) Alice In Wonderland: 450,000

7) Skyfall: 430,000

8) Inception: 420,000

9) Shrek 4: 407,000

10) Ted: 400,000

10) KFP2: 400,000

10) IA 3: 400,000

10) Toy Story 3: 400,000

10) Ratatouille: 400,000

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Correction, I found the numbers since 2006, and added them to the list.

 

Biggest films in admissions since 2006 (400K+):

 

1) Avatar: 1,300,000

2) Smurfs: 560,000

3) Zohi Sdom: 500,000

4) Madagascar 3: 500,000

5) The Intouchacles: 490,000

6) Alice In Wonderland: 450,000

7) Skyfall: 430,000

8) Inception: 420,000

9) Shrek 4: 407,000

10) Ted: 400,000

11) KFP2: 400,000

12) IA 3: 400,000

13) Toy Story 3: 400,000

14) Ratatouille: 400,000

 

Great to see Ted in the top 10 :)

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Great to see Ted in the top 10 :)

 

Once the 2013 numbers are available it will drop out, since FF6 has already passed it.

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Once the 2013 numbers are available it will drop out, since FF6 has already passed it.

 

What do you think about 2013? Iron Man 3 is first?

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What do you think about 2013? Iron Man 3 is first?

 

Not even close, as you can see from my list, no superhero film has ever won a year and IM3 is no exception. FF6 has already made over twice as much as IM3, and the battle for number 1 should be between it and The Smurfs 2.

 

Besides FF6, The Croods, Argo and Django already passed IM3. DM2 and MU are locked to pass it and GU2 might. IM3 isn't going  to make make the top 10, although this is expected since The Avengers was only number 12 last year.

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Hollywood is very dominant there, it was expected.No all-time top?

 

The all time list is mostly made up from Israeli movies from the 60s and 70s. Titanic and Avatar are probably the only foriegn films in the top 10.

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The all time list is mostly made up from Israeli movies from the 60s and 70s. Titanic and Avatar are probably the only foriegn films in the top 10.

 

I mean in dollars, not admissions.

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I mean in dollars, not admissions.

 

Definitely Avatar.

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The all time list is mostly made up from Israeli movies from the 60s and 70s. Titanic and Avatar are probably the only foriegn films in the top 10.

 

Do you have any numbers? Or are you just assuming?

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