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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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I am pretty sure directors, editors do this almost unconsciously, the music analogy Dash is using works perfectly.

 

We forget these people see the movies they make hundreds of times in the editing room so they all develop a natural (searching for a better word here) sense of pace and rhythm.

 

 

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Jay, what do you think about the big Hollywood auteurs who go to 2H30, 3h cuts ?

 

Bay, Fincher, Jackson, Nolan, Cameron, Scorcese, 

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46 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Jay, what do you think about the big Hollywood auteurs who go to 2H30, 3h cuts ?

 

Bay, Fincher, Jackson, Nolan, Cameron, Scorcese, 

 

 

Runtimes don't matter really, as long as they are warranted. Except I do feel usually find most films could do with an extra 5-10 minutes of tightening. 

 

 

 

All of Cameron's Blockbusters are perfectly paced and structured I think. Aliens basically feel like it has 2 3rd acts, but it doesnt matter because you're so invested and the stakes perfectly grow (true Lies almost does this too on an absurd fun scale) . 

 

Fincher and Scorcese map out there films to be that length. I pretty much really like or love most there movies.  Plus those movies get lost in character are aren't as "plot" (We go here to here to here) driven. 

 

Those 3  above I wouldn't touch they're edit. 

 

 

 

Bay is a great visual director but he just lets things run to long, which seems to be an ever growing problem for him. 

 

Jackson, he makes bloated movies, but thats why he's Jackson. I wouldn't want him to do anything less. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't,  but he truly makes adventure films, 2 hour movies when your a kid feel 3 hours so he basically says fuck it I want Adults to feel that lost/endless adventure feeling again. I don't want him to change (even if the hobbit films should have been 2 hours each) 

 

Nolan haha well I love him to death, he just ambitious, his board ideas are all there, he nails execution of combining scale with emotion but he may trie to squeeze one too many ideas or subplots in his films sometimes (which again can be great or a slight miss)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jay Hollywood said:

 

All of Cameron's Blockbusters are perfectly paced and structured I think. Aliens basically feel like it has 2 3rd acts, but it doesnt matter because you're so invested and the stakes perfectly grow (true Lies almost does this too on an absurd fun scale) . 

 

 

 

I'd argue Aliens has a 5-act structure, though not of uniform length for each act

 

Act 1 (Prologue)- Ripley is found, woken up, adjusts, sent to assist LV-426 investigation

 

Act 2- Time on the ship, arrival at LV-426, station investigation, Alien Ambush and being stranded

 

Act 3- Bunkering down, making plans, Burke tries to infect Ripley and Newt, the base is overrun

 

Act 4- Ripley goes to the Belly of the Beast to rescue Newt

 

Act 5 (epilogue)- Get away from her you bitch, the return home

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All this debates about movie structure are fun to read, tbh. I never noticed that most movies did that. Considering it worked the same for longer films, I suppose it worked the same for shorter (<90 minute) films too?

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19 hours ago, Jay Hollywood said:

 

 

Runtimes don't matter really, as long as they are warranted. Except I do feel usually find most films could do with an extra 5-10 minutes of tightening. 

 

 

 

All of Cameron's Blockbusters are perfectly paced and structured I think. Aliens basically feel like it has 2 3rd acts, but it doesnt matter because you're so invested and the stakes perfectly grow (true Lies almost does this too on an absurd fun scale) . 

 

Fincher and Scorcese map out there films to be that length. I pretty much really like or love most there movies.  Plus those movies get lost in character are aren't as "plot" (We go here to here to here) driven. 

 

Those 3  above I wouldn't touch they're edit. 

 

 

 

Bay is a great visual director but he just lets things run to long, which seems to be an ever growing problem for him. 

 

Jackson, he makes bloated movies, but thats why he's Jackson. I wouldn't want him to do anything less. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't,  but he truly makes adventure films, 2 hour movies when your a kid feel 3 hours so he basically says fuck it I want Adults to feel that lost/endless adventure feeling again. I don't want him to change (even if the hobbit films should have been 2 hours each) 

 

Nolan haha well I love him to death, he just ambitious, his board ideas are all there, he nails execution of combining scale with emotion but he may trie to squeeze one too many ideas or subplots in his films sometimes (which again can be great or a slight miss)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ZODIAC comes to mind from David Fincher with a running time of just over 3 hours.. I highly recommend the "DIRECTOR'S CUT" of ZODIAC complete with the Documentary about this still unsolved murder case now officially closed I believe.. Great movie..

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It s funny that studios very rarely allow a cut above 140/145mn on their tentpoles, only the auteurs are allowed to it seems.

The 150mn is the big psycholigial barrier/frontier you can get close to or match but rarely surpass.

 

The average length  of a tentpole is around 130mn I think now.

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22 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

The average length  of a tentpole is around 130mn I think now.

 

Average time of the top 25 movie at the box office by year's:

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That only up to 2013, but the average seem to be around 125 min yes

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Credits also have never been longer in history : 7 to 12 minutes.

 

VFX teams and unions to blame for this.

 

Jlaw had 4(!) people credited in X-Men Apocalypse.

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Tangentially related to Ragnarok I guess.

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http://screenrant.com/thor-ragnarok-not-same-tone-guardians-galaxy/

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But in a recent interview with Heroic Hollywood, Marvel’s own Kevin Feige teased that Ragnarok is going to be less like Guardians than some fans may think going into it:

“Well, I think I would say it’s, and as people see more of Ragnarok, it’s a Taika tone more than a Guardians tone. He’s really adding a very unique point of view to it, but certainly the success of Guardians just boosted our confidence to continue to go in new, fun, weird directions.”

 

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Posted (edited)

7 Terrifying Superpowers of Hela

In ‘Thor: Ragnarok

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On 4/21/2017 at 4:46 PM, The Futurist said:

It s funny that studios very rarely allow a cut above 140/145mn on their tentpoles, only the auteurs are allowed to it seems.

The 150mn is the big psycholigial barrier/frontier you can get close to or match but rarely surpass.

 

The average length  of a tentpole is around 130mn I think now.

 

Credits used to way shorter back in the day too. From the 20's to the 50's, with few exceptions, they were practically unheard of, and even then usually just credited the full main cast. These days the studios feel the need to credit everyone on the production team.

 

Honestly unless there's an after-credit scene, I tend to skip credits once the full cast is listed. I don't have time to sit through the whole thing.

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6 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

 

Credits used to way shorter back in the day too. From the 20's to the 50's, with few exceptions, they were practically unheard of, and even then usually just credited the full main cast. These days the studios feel the need to credit everyone on the production team.

 

Honestly unless there's an after-credit scene, I tend to skip credits once the full cast is listed. I don't have time to sit through the whole thing.

 

For big VFX movies, credits are now 7-12 minutes depending ...

 

Dreamworks animation movies credits are ridiculous, they are almost 15 minutes, everyone who works in the Dreamworks Animation structure is listed.

 

That s a new trend tho, credits for admininstrative staff of production companies , check Marvel Studios , Lionsgate or Lucasfilms movies ...

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On ‎4‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 8:56 PM, shayhiri said:

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I've said all along that it was the Led Zeppelin song that sold the trailer I don't know how many pages back.. Too bad that song won't be in the movie in favor of a more dramatic soundtrack..

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Just now, The Futurist said:

 

For big VFX movies, credits are now 7-12 minutes depending ...

 

A lot of it depends on whether or not they decide to list the main cast and crew at the beginning, or after the film is over. The later is becoming more and more common these days, and credits are much longer as a result.

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6 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

 

A lot of it depends on whether or not they decide to list the main cast and crew at the beginning, or after the film is over. The later is becoming more and more common these days, and credits are much longer as a result.

 

Unions asked everyone gets credited on films I think that s why you have such funny credit as Jlaw s personnal hair dresser of Jlaw s security in X Men Apocalypse ( she had 4 people credited just for her in that film).

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