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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them | Nov. 18, 2016 | Crosses 800M WW

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Still, I have the feeling that this spin-off series will be what Hobbit is to Lord of the Rings. A huge disappointment. That until Warner Bros pulls their shit together and actually bring decent movies.

Me, too. At least The Hobbit had been a thing before they made it into movies so there was interest in it that way. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them exists technically but it's not a story in the same way. Even if this was about Luna's grandmother's days in America or something, that would seem like a better angle than this.

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Why?

 

The Potter franchise is over. If they make new movies in the same universe, at least make them fucking different instead of making them similar to the first 8.

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The Potter franchise is over. If they make new movies in the same universe, at least make them fucking different instead of making them similar to the first 8.

How different can it possibly be if it's supposed to take place in the same universe? You can't go too far or it'll be off-putting.

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How different can it possibly be if it's supposed to take place in the same universe? You can't go too far or it'll be off-putting.

 

The 70 year before Harry Potter setting allows it to be VERY different.

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The 70 year before Harry Potter setting allows it to be VERY different.

Just like the Hobbit taking place 77 years before FOTR. There were a lot of similarities there.

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Just like the Hobbit taking place 77 years before FOTR. There were a lot of similarities there.

 

That's somehow different. I mean, first of all The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings world was entire original while The Wizarding World is set in the normal world, which would mean that 70 years (around 1930) the Wizarding World should be just as different as the normal world was back then, not similar to what it is now.

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That's somehow different. I mean, first of all The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings world was entire original while The Wizarding World is set in the normal world, which would mean that 70 years (around 1930) the Wizarding World should be just as different as the normal world was back then, not similar to what it is now.

Normal world, so here in the normal world there are wizards/dragons/elfs and so on, must have missed that part of history class. BTW Hobbit/LOTR happened many thousands of years ago in this world.

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Just like the Hobbit taking place 77 years before FOTR. There were a lot of similarities there.

 

Except nothing really changes in Middle-Earth in regards to technology or even culture that much. 70 years on Earth makes for a big big difference.

 

It's an interesting idea that I think suits a budget like 100-125 million, no more.

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Well the idea sounds interesting. Is it milking it? Maybe, we'll have to see what the film is like to say if it's selling out or not. Maybe Rowling really does have a good idea, who knows.

 

WB are a bunch of greedy, compromising bastards. Milking franchises until the public hates them, just let it rest???

 

Other studios are not? WB does have a strong track record of supporting directors who do a lot of original projects. Other studios, not so much. 

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Lord Voldemort said he'd be up for giving the script a read and maybe direct.

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Fantastic Beasts should take April 2015... 4 weeks of no competition until Avengers 2 destroys everything in its path  :P

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Fantastic Beasts should take April 2015... 4 weeks of no competition until Avengers 2 destroys everything in its path  :P

 

Relax, the script isn't even done yet. J.K Rowling has no deadline so from all we know the script could be finished in April 2015 instead of the movie.

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I suppose Warner would want to go the blockbuster route with that and hope to build a franchise successfull, maybe not as much as the originals HP films but big. Soon, they'll have only the DC universe as a franchise and they don't really know where they go with that and if it will be a success. As they can't already reboot Harry Potter (oh it's coming in some years), they would want this to success to build a big franchise on it. Warner is fine, it's true but they haven't really big tentpole franchise. 

 

Now, I wonder what will be the consequences of the B/S delay on that. I would have seen it for summer 2016 if there was enough time All depend of Rowling and her script for now on that, how many time to do it ? Ready to use or need rewritings (she's not a screenwriter but an author, it's not the same) ? 

As it seems unlikely that WB makes 2 big tentpoles in a summer (they don't do it in a year as 2008 proved it), it will likely be in November 2016 (as some HP movies) or after. Seems weird that they haven't announce a date as nowaday, it's common to announce a date even before having starting writing a script (and delay the movie if there is a problem).

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I suppose Warner would want to go the blockbuster route with that and hope to build a franchise successfull, maybe not as much as the originals HP films but big. Soon, they'll have only the DC universe as a franchise and they don't really know where they go with that and if it will be a success. As they can't already reboot Harry Potter (oh it's coming in some years), they would want this to success to build a big franchise on it. Warner is fine, it's true but they haven't really big tentpole franchise. 

 

Now, I wonder what will be the consequences of the B/S delay on that. I would have seen it for summer 2016 if there was enough time All depend of Rowling and her script for now on that, how many time to do it ? Ready to use or need rewritings (she's not a screenwriter but an author, it's not the same) ? 

As it seems unlikely that WB makes 2 big tentpoles in a summer (they don't do it in a year as 2008 proved it), it will likely be in November 2016 (as some HP movies) or after. Seems weird that they haven't announce a date as nowaday, it's common to announce a date even before having starting writing a script (and delay the movie if there is a problem).

Don't do it? Saying this will do 400M+ is premature, so what kind of #'s is this looking at I think 200M+ is that what you mean when you say tentpole? 2011 TH2/DHII.

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Funny article, just because of BvS will be for 2017, well 2017 is the supposed JL movie, then 2018, then 2019... If WB is worried its noy going to get better, just pick a year and let it be.

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