Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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baumer

Putting International BO Numbers in Perspective

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This was a great thread at Mojo, one of the threads I rally regret not having access to.Fellow box office loonies, please help me and others understand what it means in terms of American dollars, for a films gross in international markets. For example, jajang and some of the other Aussie posters helped ascertain that for every one dollar a film grosses in Australia, it would be equivalent to about ten dollars in NA. So for a film to make 30 mill in Australia, it would be like a film making 300 million in NA. The same can be said for Canada. The UK was something $6.00 to $1.00 and so on. Can anyone help with this? It's a great tool to see how films are really doing in other markets.I'm going to try and update this as best I can:Australia: 10:1China: 4.5:1New Zealand: 60:1Russia: 9:1Brazil: 13:1Germany: 9:1Italy: 11:1Japan: 5:1Mexico: 14:1South Korea: 10:1Spain: 12.5:1UK: 6:1Sweden: 35-40:1

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We had a huge thread for this at Mojo and it was fairly accurate. I don't think it will be that tough to get it going again, we just need some help from a few of the posters.

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Fake and Luna (Inny Binny) would help.

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China was 6 to 1 when Avatar came out. Now I think it is around 4.5-5 to 1.

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On average it's 10 to 1 in Australia. Different genres do perform differently here though. Comic book films tend to perform worse here. Say 8 to 1. While fantasy films perform better normally. Potter for example made 52m here or equivalent of 520m US and dark knight made 46m or around 460m equivalent. I still love the James Cameron comparisons. Titanic - 57m AU (570m equiv US) vs 600m USAND now....Avatar - 115m AU (1.15B lol) vs 750m Something tells me we like blue (unless it's part of a comic book)Always helps if there is an Australian actor in the film. + if the film is Australian......Australia - ;) 37m (370m equiv !!!!!!) -

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Let's not get too precise Jajang. LOL....the 10 to 1 thing is a good forumla.

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Gonna move this to International board, but also pin it there for easy access. :)

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This is great. Sucks that Inny Binny's International Admissions thread is gone though :(

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Speaking of inny. Haven't seen a NZ thread yet is he joining?

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I'll try to use the same formula Inny did, but it will take me some time to do it.

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Speaking of inny. Haven't seen a NZ thread yet is he joining?

Luna is Inny Binny.

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A good number in Spain is 6 million euros. With the today's dollar-euro exchange ratio (1.34), that's equivalent to 8 million dollar. I think the mark of 6 million euros (8 million dollar) in Spain is equivalent to 100 million in US. For instance, in 2010, in US there were 30 movies with 100 million dollar or more and in Spain there were 29 movies with 8 million dollar or more. In 2009, 32 in US and 30 in Spain with the same limits. In 2008, 29 in US and 33 in Spain. They are very similar numbers of movies.Of course there are exceptions. Avatar grossed 78 million euros in Spain (110 million dollar). That would be equivalent to 1.3 billion in US. But in general it's very accurate. The next one in the ranking is Titanic with 38 million euros (44 million dollar with the 1998 dollar-peseta ratio). That would be 630 million dollar in US (very similar to second highest movie in US that is Titanic too). And ROTK, with nearly 33 million euros (39 million dollar with the 2003 dollar-euro ratio), would be equivalent to 545 million dollar in US (very similar to the third movie gross, The Dark Knight, which grossed 533)

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In some cases throughout the year when Australia gets a release one week before the US we can get a pretty accurate picture of where a film will fall.Narnia and Thor were big ones.

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In some cases throughout the year when Australia gets a release one week before the US we can get a pretty accurate picture of where a film will fall.Narnia and Thor were big ones.

Breaking Dawn wasn't though
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Russia needs to be updated on a weekly basis for this thread!

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Breaking Dawn wasn't though

Well it decreased in Aus as it did in US while many markets increased.

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I'm not sure if I'm getting this right,But Charles Gant, box office reporter in the UK for the Guardian newspaper, he expects films to gross 10% of what they made in America.

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I'm not sure if I'm getting this right,But Charles Gant, box office reporter in the UK for the Guardian newspaper, he expects films to gross 10% of what they made in America.

his belief is divide the american number by 10, and change the symbol from $ to £

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When it comes to opening weekends, it's around 7.5:1 in Russia. The 2nd and 3rd biggest OWs are OST and SFA with just under $20 million, so I'd say $19-20 million equals US' $150 million milestone.As far as total gross, I'd say 9:1. $50 million has only been reached by 4 films so far, which comfortably puts that number next to USA's $450 million. Meanwhile there is like a dozen of huge recent blockbusters that ended up between $35m and $45m, which roughly translates to $320-420 million in the US box-office.That's a general rule, but there are undeniably exceptions, John Carter being the most recent and obvious one.

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