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[PPZVGOS]

4 hours ago, terrestrial said:

You miss way too much like e.g. local competition in countries not speaking English as mother tongue and lots of other details, like (spoiler tags, IMHO those kind of discussion tries do not belong in the country threads, thy belong into the film's threads, like in dom of international)

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Some franchises are spread out more evenly, some less.

The more evenly spread outs are mostly either well established, more even per having several parts of their films with the same actors, a similar story, and genre-mix concept, get released in an even time-line, usually time near like lets say every 1-3 years a new part.

Or build up step by step supported by huge book sales, toy sales, worldwide accessible other reasons for the films existence or fandom

 

Why try to compare GA reactions to a franchise that breaks in a way all of the usual rules? In especially: why trying to compare it yet and not in lets say... 5 - 10 years? Then we might get a way more accurate picture of the impact of a new to a lot of countries franchise on non-English speaking GA.

 

First of all, we have to look at the facts as they are. The reality is that Star Wars is epic in some countries (especially the Anglophone ones) but everywhere else it ranges from merely pretty big to just sheer randomness. The one factor that stands out, seems to be the one related to language, hence the epic success of Star Wars in English-speaking countries as well as a few other countries (but to a lesser degree) where the people are both more familiar with Anglo-American popular culture as well as boast a significant proportion of their populations that speak English as a second language.

 

The box-office numbers for individual countries in relation to Star Wars are purely factual, my speculation over the reasons that may explain them, are not, but the correlation seems far too overwhelming to be accidental. 

[terrestrial]

4 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

First of all, we have to look at the facts as they are. The reality is that Star Wars is epic in some countries (especially the Anglophone ones) but everywhere else it ranges from merely pretty big to just sheer randomness. The one factor that stands out, seems to be the one related to language, hence the epic success of Star Wars in English-speaking countries as well as a few other countries (but to a lesser degree) where the people are both more familiar with Anglo-American popular culture as well as boast a significant proportion of their populations that speak English as a second language.

The box-office numbers for individual countries in relation to Star Wars are purely factual, my speculation over the reasons that may explain them, are not, but the correlation seems far too overwhelming to be accidental. 

 

But the reasons for the different results per country differ. A lot. 

It is the IMHO way too generalizing way you use, the reason being ~ only one for OS, that I am opposing, as I wrote already in whatever post that was.

[terrestrial]

6 hours ago, grim22 said:

You get WAAAAY too defensive over Rogue One. You do realize you do not need to respond to every comment with what you think is true. In India, no one cares for Star Wars, so it flopped - competition was never the issue nor was release date. Some markets just do not care for the franchise as a whole.

Maybe chill a little bit and not try defending every single point for the franchise? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most logical reason.

 

I guess you think I am a fan of the franchise?

I like and dislike to varying degrees the 8 SW films. Not one is a 10/10 to me, only one is a rounded up 9/10, one I can't stand at all, one borders to the can't stand ranking...

 

I wrote already in the SW international thread for some reasons I feel ~ SW brought out a few very strange rather biased posts like the posters out of e.g. the US who wrote partly rather demeaning posts about people of countries with less embracing BOs (not only for the SW franchise), and - the other way around - I oppose also the posters who wrote especially about the US fans like they were incapable to read / read a complete book based on their SW fandom and similar. At least that lessened for now the last week or so.

 

I oppose generalizing / one sided reasons, even if it is about a film I hate, especially if I think there is a tons of reasons.

 

I follow ww BO and background since the '90, form my region since earlier.

I never thought the SW film got and get embraced the same in all countries then nor today and wouldn't expect that anyway, as I do not expect it for every other film, franchise book, music or whatever. 

 

[George Parr]

6 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

First of all, we have to look at the facts as they are. The reality is that Star Wars is epic in some countries (especially the Anglophone ones) but everywhere else it ranges from merely pretty big to just sheer randomness. The one factor that stands out, seems to be the one related to language, hence the epic success of Star Wars in English-speaking countries as well as a few other countries (but to a lesser degree) where the people are both more familiar with Anglo-American popular culture as well as boast a significant proportion of their populations that speak English as a second language.

 

The box-office numbers for individual countries in relation to Star Wars are purely factual, my speculation over the reasons that may explain them, are not, but the correlation seems far too overwhelming to be accidental. 

 

Star Wars is ingrained in the culture of many countries that most definately are not part of the english-speaking world, just like Star Wars is of no real significance in countries that are part of the english-speaking world. Language has nothing to do with it, exposure at the best possible time certainly helped, though it wasn't essential for TFA being a huge success in some other countries either. Being part of the "western world" also helped in some cases as well.

 

Having english as second language makes absolutely no difference at all in that regard, when movies haven't been shown in that language at all. In many countries, having a decent number of shows in the original language of the movie is a fairly recent thing, and still only something that a small number of movies get, with all movies getting translated instead, in others, movies didn't get a synchronisation but only subtitles instead, yet there is no difference in terms of success between the two sorts. Thus, it has little to do with the language, and everything to do with whether it fit to the culture in a country, and has managed to keep up the interest since the original movie came out. The original Star Wars was absolutely huge in Spain, a country that had very little connection to english and wasn't exactly known for being integrated with the rest of Europe at that time, due to still being a dictatorship at that point. In fact, it was likely much bigger there than it was in Germany, where it didn't even win the year back then. TFA did great in both countries, though money obscured that view a bit. Rogue One now dropped by pretty much the same amount in both countries, which is still enough to win in Germany, while being merely an average blockbuster in Spain.

 

Your theory also doesn't explain why TFA fared so well in places like Romania, Hungary or Bulgaria or Poland, which have virtually no connection to the english-speaking world. Granted, Rogue One didn't really work out in Romania either, but the drop was basically in line with what most of the countries saw as a drop, with only very few exceptions. It fared a bit better in Bulgaria, and did really well in both Poland and Hungary though. Episode VIII should once again be a dominant force in those markets.

[PPZVGOS]

2 hours ago, George Parr said:

 

Star Wars is ingrained in the culture of many countries that most definately are not part of the english-speaking world, just like Star Wars is of no real significance in countries that are part of the english-speaking world. Language has nothing to do with it, exposure at the best possible time certainly helped, though it wasn't essential for TFA being a huge success in some other countries either. Being part of the "western world" also helped in some cases as well.

 

Having english as second language makes absolutely no difference at all in that regard, when movies haven't been shown in that language at all. In many countries, having a decent number of shows in the original language of the movie is a fairly recent thing, and still only something that a small number of movies get, with all movies getting translated instead, in others, movies didn't get a synchronisation but only subtitles instead, yet there is no difference in terms of success between the two sorts. Thus, it has little to do with the language, and everything to do with whether it fit to the culture in a country, and has managed to keep up the interest since the original movie came out. The original Star Wars was absolutely huge in Spain, a country that had very little connection to english and wasn't exactly known for being integrated with the rest of Europe at that time, due to still being a dictatorship at that point. In fact, it was likely much bigger there than it was in Germany, where it didn't even win the year back then. TFA did great in both countries, though money obscured that view a bit. Rogue One now dropped by pretty much the same amount in both countries, which is still enough to win in Germany, while being merely an average blockbuster in Spain.

 

Your theory also doesn't explain why TFA fared so well in places like Romania, Hungary or Bulgaria or Poland, which have virtually no connection to the english-speaking world. Granted, Rogue One didn't really work out in Romania either, but the drop was basically in line with what most of the countries saw as a drop, with only very few exceptions. It fared a bit better in Bulgaria, and did really well in both Poland and Hungary though. Episode VIII should once again be a dominant force in those markets.

 

Do you have any reliable numbers about the original trilogy's BO in places like Europe & Japan? I would love to see those.

 

In the case of the most recent Star Wars movies, I can clearly see a direct correlation between language and their success. TFA was especially epic, in matter of fact, the biggest movie of all time in the US/UK/Canada, but did it have the same relative success anywhere else? Not as far as I am aware of.

 

Rogue One, has been the biggest hit of the year, in the US/UK/Canada and will soon be in Australia as well. I guess it will be number one in Germany and France (only marginally there) and a handful of East European countries. Other than that, its overseas performance has been quite underwhelming, especially in what interests me here, relative terms! 

 

My guess over the success of Star Wars in Germany, Netherlands or Scandinavia (i.e. Northern Europe) is that those countries have long been in tune with the dominant Anglo-American popular culture and also have a large percentage of people that speak English as a second language (something that is not the case in places like Lat-Am, East-Asia or Russia, or even Southern Europe) Even so, in relative terms, the popularity of Star Wars in Northern Europe lacks behind its success in the Anglophone world. As for the few Eastern European states where Star Wars has been doing pretty well recently (but still, not as good as in the Anglophone world) I would wager that those countries have a large percentage of their young populations that are highly internet savvy, hence the buzz and hype of social media "infects" them to a high degree. 

 

Now, if the original Star Wars did relatively better in Spain than it did in Germany, would be somewhat contrary to my theory, but it would in no way refute it, deviations are always present in the real world. I am absolutely certain however, that if we compare the relative performance of Star Wars movies in general in Germany & Spain, we would find out that the success was considerably higher in the former, therefore confirming my expectations. 

 

What I'm saying is that there is a very wide variation in the relative popularity of the Star Wars movies across countries and regions, and this could well be accounted for by my suggestion. 

[terrestrial]

4 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

in Germany, Netherlands or Scandinavia (i.e. Northern Europe) is that those countries have long been in tune with the dominant Anglo-American popular culture and also have a large percentage of people that speak English as a second language

GA is not the 'better educated group' only I guess we can agree on?

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Lets say it this way: did you read my signature?

Why did I need(ed) to teach myself English beside having been on a technical special something school (then)?

As often told, for some reasons I changed professions some years back and I teach e.g. media / media comparison ... also discussion... and run a school library (also open for the public)... since some years now.

I offer there literally way over a thousand books, audio books, comics... in English. Also specialised knowledge... even picture speciality books with nearly no text.

The most parents at our school were themselves on higher education schools, did learn (they are younger than me, other times, in theory better English teaching systems and teacher) a lot of English in school. But beside some professions, people in RL seldom use English. If someone didn't use English a lot, every year more being out of school the mental blockade to not even dare to try gets stronger.

So they come to me,ask for this or that... I offer the English ones too = out of the adults nearly no one takes them. 

If it is about a YA book series a few 9th and 10th graders might dare. If they know their source material really good.

Usually a film gets shown in German. If there is a bad translation and it is a genre film, they might offer in a few cinemas en OV screening. That means in a mid sized city cinema: 1 to 2 screenings per week (only in one or maybe even for 2 weeks in its entire run) will get offered for a blockbuster. Usually at times of day that are rather inconvenient.

In big cities like Berlin, Munich,... they offer more English screenings, specialised cinemas for that might even offer several English screenings over the day for a limited time. That is a rather new development, like 5 years back that seldom got offered at all of far less.

Mostly that seems to be taken on by people who have seen it in German too and either dare to try, or think something is wrong with the translation, also foreigners and so on. In the sum of Germany: a very very small part of the tickets sold is for the English version.

 

We learn in theory a second language (btw, not all chose English), but I do not know a lot of people here who 'speak' (use) a second language outside of professions where e.g. English is needed as a basic skills for some reasons. That includes the use on vacations for asking for the way, or ordering a meal. The most will shove someone else to the foreground to do even that for them. I know a lot of people in my neighbourhood never travelled outside of Germany, as they are fearing to have to use their old school English.

 

 

[DeeCee]

Weekend Total Box Office

Australia: Thu 12th Jan 2017 - Sun 15th Jan 2017

• 1.

  Sing

  $2,306,634

  Universal

• 2.

  La La Land

  $2,280,249

  eOne

• 3.

  Moana

  $2,102,668

  Walt Disney

• 4.

  Passengers

  $2,003,860

  Roadshow

• 5.

  Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

  $1,878,735

  Walt Disney

• 6.

  Monster Trucks

  $1,404,720

  Paramount

• 7.

  Assassin’s Creed

  $1,298,583

  Fox

• 8.

  Allied

  $1,106,708

  Paramount

• 9.

  Why Him?

  $970,357

  Fox

• 10.

  Ballerina

  $900,688

  Studiocanal

Sing

Universal

Weekend 3

$2.31M

Cume. total

$22.10M

La La Land

eOne

Weekend 3

$2.28M

Cume. total

$11.17M

Moana

Walt Disney

Weekend 3

$2.10M

Cume. total

$19.31M

Passengers

Roadshow

Weekend 3

$2.00M

Cume. total

$11.35M

Edited January 16, 2017 by DeeCee

[DeeCee]

I just realised Collateral Beauty didn't make the top 10.

 

The last tracked figure for Finding Dory was AUD48,435,756 and is now at $48.514m as per @Doctor RTH gone Rouge

 

R1 is now at $47,136,474.

 

Or, as the good Reverend @baumer would say,  Why we're on this particular mission, we'll never know. But I do know, here today, that Rogue One will emerge victorious.  Fuck that fish.

Edited January 16, 2017 by DeeCee

[Rthmessiah]

17 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

I just realised Collateral Beauty didn't make the top 10.

 

The last tracked figure for Finding Dory was AUD48,435,756 so it probably finished between $48.5-48.6m.  

 

R1 is now at $47,132,168.

 

Or, as the good Reverend @baumer would say,  Why we're on this particular mission, we'll never know. But I do know, here today, that Rogue One will emerge victorious.  Fuck that fish.

 

FD 48.514m may go higher, finals end of year still being worked on. 2016 BO listing anything earned bet 1/1-31/12

[Rthmessiah]

 

Most Popular Films For Period Weekend, January 12 – 15, 2017 WIR = Weeks In Release
No	WIR	Title	$	%	Total $
1	3	SING (G), UNIVERSAL [344/ $6,758]	2,324,809	-31%	22,301,075
2	3	LA LA LAND (M), ENTERTAINMENT ONE [210/ $10,985]	2,306,838	36%	11,228,745
3	3	MOANA (PG), WALT DISNEY [320/ $6,627]	2,120,653	-30%	19,464,786
4	2	PASSENGERS (M), ROADSHOW [301/ $6,646]	2,000,414	-37%	11,340,931
5	5	ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY (M), WALT DISNEY [329/ $5,724]	1,883,041	-39%	47,136,474
6	1	MONSTER TRUCKS (PG), PARAMOUNT [241/ $5,873]	1,415,386	N/A	1,467,143
7	2	ASSASSIN`S CREED (M), FOX [249/ $5,231]	1,302,503	-45%	8,444,073
8	3	ALLIED (M), PARAMOUNT [277/ $4,023]	1,114,481	-35%	10,236,176
9	3	WHY HIM? (MA15+), FOX [238/ $4,117]	979,882	-38%	9,516,844
10	1	BALLERINA (G), STUDIOCANAL [221/ $4,128]	912,255	N/A	932,231
11	1	COLLATERAL BEAUTY (M), ROADSHOW [210/ $4,091]	859,152	N/A	921,374
12	1	MIDDLE SCHOOL: THE WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE (PG), ROADSHOW [188/ $4,553]	855,913	N/A	983,137
13	2	THE EDGE OF SEVENTEEN (M), ROADSHOW [180/ $4,466]	803,861	-29%	2,886,132
14	1	JACKIE (MA15+), ENTERTAINMENT ONE [69/ $8,990]	620,294	N/A	714,478
15	3	RED DOG: TRUE BLUE (PG), ROADSHOW [306/ $1,647]	504,114	-47%	6,332,690
16	7	TROLLS (G), FOX [188/ $1,660]	312,046	-32%	16,773,941
17	9	FANTASTIC BEASTS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM (M), WARNER BROS [76/ $2,892]	219,777	-10%	32,139,914
18	1	BHAIRAVAA (M), MKS RETAIL [19/ $11,169]	212,207	N/A	212,207
19	3	A UNITED KINGDOM (PG), TRANSMISSION [68/ $2,925]	198,914	-32%	1,749,566
20	3	ROSALIE BLUM (M), PALACE [26/ $5,681]	147,716	-23%	1,390,952

 

[JJ-8]

On 1/16/2017 at 11:06 AM, Doctor RTH gone Rouge said:

 

FD 48.514m may go higher, finals end of year still being worked on. 2016 BO listing anything earned bet 1/1-31/12

 

On 1/16/2017 at 10:45 AM, DeeCee said:

I just realised Collateral Beauty didn't make the top 10.

 

The last tracked figure for Finding Dory was AUD48,435,756 and is now at $48.514m as per @Doctor RTH gone Rouge

 

R1 is now at $47,136,474.

 

Or, as the good Reverend @baumer would say,  Why we're on this particular mission, we'll never know. But I do know, here today, that Rogue One will emerge victorious.  Fuck that fish.

 

Revealed your opinion is....

 

Sadly FD will be listed as the #1 film of 2016 (neither Star Wars film earned enough to pass it in the calendar year 

[DeeCee]

12 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

 

 

Revealed your opinion is....

 

Sadly FD will be listed as the #1 film of 2016 (neither Star Wars film earned enough to pass it in the calendar year 

Lies!

 

Deception!

[JJ-8]

@Doctor RTH gone Rouge

 

We've come close in recent times with Avatar being 3rd and 1st in 2009 and 2010 respectively and then again in 2015 & 2016 for SW The Force Awakens with 1st and 7th Respectively...

I took a quick look and i can't see any 2 years where we had the same film as the top film of the year in back to back years as far as 1976.  I presume that GWTW was #1 for a few years at least in the 30's/40's.  

 

Do you know what the last film was to accomplish this and how long ago (if at all of course )

 

Fun Fact, Rogue One won't be listed as the number 1 film in either 2016 or 2017.  2016 should be 3rd if I calculated correctly....

 

I think the final top 10 for 2016 will look something like this:

 

1. Finding Dory 48.5m

2. Deadpool 42.3m

3. Rogue One 36.5m

4. Suicide Squad 34.3m

5. Captain America: Civil War 33.7m

6. Fantastic Beasts and Where to find them 31.1m

7. Star Wars The Force Awakens 31.0m

8. the Jungle Book 29.7m

9. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 29.7m

10. the Secret Life of Pets 29.5m

[DeeCee]

Most Popular Films For Period Week, January 12 – 18, 2017 WIR = Weeks In Release
No	WIR	Title	$	%	Total $
1	3	SING (G), UNIVERSAL [344/ $11,341]	3,901,144	-31%	23,875,089
2	3	MOANA (PG), WALT DISNEY [320/ $11,096]	3,550,666	-30%	20,894,799
3	3	LA LA LAND (M), ENTERTAINMENT ONE [251/ $13,419]	3,368,049	13%	12,289,956
4	2	PASSENGERS (M), ROADSHOW [296/ $9,584]	2,836,876	-38%	12,181,310
5	5	ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY (M), WALT DISNEY [329/ $8,240]	2,711,021	-39%	47,967,404
6	1	MONSTER TRUCKS (PG), PARAMOUNT [241/ $9,355]	2,254,505	N/A	2,306,262
7	2	ASSASSIN`S CREED (M), FOX [248/ $7,358]	1,824,806	-45%	8,966,076
8	1	BALLERINA (G), STUDIOCANAL [221/ $7,385]	1,632,138	N/A	1,652,114
9	3	ALLIED (M), PARAMOUNT [277/ $5,653]	1,565,802	-36%	10,690,133
10	1	MIDDLE SCHOOL: THE WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE (PG), ROADSHOW [186/ $8,195]	1,524,207	N/A	1,651,431
11	3	WHY HIM? (MA15+), FOX [240/ $5,687]	1,364,813	-41%	9,902,049
12	2	THE EDGE OF SEVENTEEN (M), ROADSHOW [177/ $7,002]	1,239,406	-33%	3,322,063
13	1	COLLATERAL BEAUTY (M), ROADSHOW [207/ $5,895]	1,220,257	N/A	1,350,584
14	1	JACKIE (MA15+), ENTERTAINMENT ONE [70/ $12,572]	880,061	N/A	974,245
15	3	RED DOG: TRUE BLUE (PG), ROADSHOW [309/ $2,732]	844,223	-46%	6,668,832
16	7	TROLLS (G), FOX [189/ $2,714]	512,916	-38%	16,977,324
17	3	A UNITED KINGDOM (PG), TRANSMISSION [68/ $4,411]	299,980	-33%	1,850,632
18	9	FANTASTIC BEASTS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM (M), WARNER BROS [81/ $3,568]	289,004	-25%	32,219,703
19	1	BHAIRAVAA (M), MKS RETAIL [19/ $12,404]	235,682	N/A	235,682
20	3

[efialtes76]

Thursday:

• 1.

  Lion

  $734,940

  Transmission

• 2.

  xXx: Return of Xander Cage

  $647,529

  Paramount

• 3.

  Sing

  $468,610

  Universal

• 4.

  Moana

  $430,926

  Walt Disney

• 5.

  Monster Trucks

  $269,662

  Paramount

• 6.

  La La Land

  $259,022

  eOne

• 7.

  Ballerina

  $232,166

  Studiocanal

• 8.

  Middle School: The Worst Years of My Life

  $198,162

  Roadshow

• 9.

  Passengers

  $174,367

  Roadshow

• 10.

  Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 

  $170,171

  Walt Disney

 

 

 

[Dingdong123]

Can Moana still top 20 million in US dollars?

[jj99]

Im guessing Lion won the weekend with $4.15 million.

[DeeCee]

19 minutes ago, jj99 said:

Im guessing Lion won the weekend with $4.15 million.

Easily.  I don't think theatres gave it enough sessions.  My Saturday afternoon screening was completely sold out.

 

 

Edited January 22, 2017 by DeeCee

[DeeCee]

The fish has now been crushed.

 

R1 should be a few hundred dollars over $49m now.  

 

Edited January 23, 2017 by DeeCee

[lab276]

"The 2017 MPDAA statistics confirm another successful year for Australian cinema box office, surpassing the record set in 2015. The A$1,259,337,000 box office CUME was an increase of 2.69% on the previous year. Finding Dory took line honours, closing 2016 at $48.56m, followed by Deadpool at $43.27m. Rogue One: a Star Wars Story closed 2016 at $36.39m after only 2 weeks in cinemas, as Suicide Squad ($34.27m), Captain America: Civil War ($33.73m) and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them ($31.20m) took the #4, #5 and #6 slots in the top 10 films for the year."

 

http://www.mpdaa.org.au/customers/mpdaa/mpdaa.nsf/(PressReleasesByDate)/23-1-2017/$FILE/MEDIA RELEASE Year End 2016.pdf

 

That's a pretty nice increase from 2015. There might even have been an increase in admissions too.