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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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King Arthur: Legend of the Sword | Guy Ritchie | May 12, 2017 | Charlie Hunnam

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Only the first one will actually end up getting made, if even that.

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I'm a huge King Arthur fan in general and post-LOTR, it's one of the few fantasy projects I'd love to see some to big-budget life. There's certain enough story there to cover multiple movies. The only -- huge -- issue I have is that Guy Ritchie seems like exactly the wrong person to be spearheading this. If he pulls a Sherlock Holmes with this, I'm gonna go all fishnets on the project.

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Should probably try to get the first one off the ground before planning out 6

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Should probably try to get the first one off the ground before planning out 6

 

Studios, man. They want their franchises.

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Do people really care about King Arthur today? I'm not sure if there would be enough interest in these to be huge hits, which is certainly the idea if they're talking about 6 movies.  I don't know, King Arthur just seems like Robin Hood, everyone has heard of those characters, but most don't seem to care.

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If they are planning 6 of these, can we not finally get an IT trilogy?  IMO, it's Stephen King's greatest work, just get the damn thing made.

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I would like to see the first one before the franchise moves ahead, which is exactly what I think the studio will be doing as well. The first one will surely get made, it will have a definite ending but a sequel hook built in, and then based on the reception (and BO figures) decide if they want to make the rest.

 

I would really like some studio to make the Ashok Banker Ramayana series a reality. The set of 7 books already reads like an epic screenplay. No one in India will make it because it will cost too much:  http://www.bookshopofindia.com/search.asp?action1=default&bookid=9115150

 

These are by far the best "Epic" books to come from India. The Meluha trilogy is good, but doesn't have a big scope.

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Do people really care about King Arthur Lord of the Rings today? I'm not sure if there would be enough interest in these to be huge hits, which is certainly the idea if they're talking about 6 movies.  I don't know, King Arthur Lord of the Rings just seems like Robin Hood, everyone has heard of those characters these stories, but most don't seem to care.

 

Amazingly, this is what I found in the Internet Wayback Machine from 1997. ;)

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I would like to see the first one before the franchise moves ahead, which is exactly what I think the studio will be doing as well. The first one will surely get made, it will have a definite ending but a sequel hook built in, and then based on the reception (and BO figures) decide if they want to make the rest.

 

I would really like some studio to make the Ashok Banker Ramayana series a reality. The set of 7 books already reads like an epic screenplay. No one in India will make it because it will cost too much:  http://www.bookshopofindia.com/search.asp?action1=default&bookid=9115150

 

These are by far the best "Epic" books to come from India. The Meluha trilogy is good, but doesn't have a big scope.

 

Shit, man, I'd love to see a big-budget Ramayana. And a Mahabharata franchise too. All these classic epics (along with Arthur, and others) have near-universal appeal, done correctly.

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Wow! Talk about jumping the gun.

 

The first one will probably have a budget of over 200 million, and may be fortunate to just barely break even.

 

Don't plan sequels (let alone five), when you have no idea if the first film will be successful. 

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Amazingly, this is what I found in the Internet Wayback Machine from 1997. ;)

 

Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit were hugely popular before the movies and the hype for Fellowship of the Ring was great memories.  Its OW in 2001 was 47m after opening on a Wednesday.  I don't see how a King Arthur movie would come close to that adjusted.

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This could be great if done right.

 

However, I don't have much hope that they will be done right. 

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Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit were hugely popular before the movies and the hype for Fellowship of the Ring was great memories.  Its OW in 2001 was 47m after opening on a Wednesday.  I don't see how a King Arthur movie would come close to that adjusted.

 

But hindsight is 20/20. Before the LOTR films got into production, there was serious doubt about whether they'd be big hits or not. The books were popular in the 1950s and 1960s, but had fallen off the cultural radar by the 80s. The only reason the movies got made in the first place is because Bob Shaye was a huge fan and decided to take a flyer on PJ; before NL grabbed the project (at the last minute) it was about to die, because Weinstein first wanted to only do two movies, and then wanted to compress everything into one.

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King Arthur could be massive if done correctly. King Arthur is very popular still. I trust Warner Brothers. 

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Thing is the story of legendary characters can be told well.

 

You can easily make a great 3 film series on Julius Caesar. 

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Multi-part series idea works for properties with strong fanbase. Who is going to give a fuck about King Arthur three movies into the series ?

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I think King Arthur has an enormous, albeit latent, potential fanbase. Though I didn't like what Ritchie did with SHERLOCK HOLMES, that character was in a similar state prior to the WB re-imagining.

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They will do one. It will fail. And then finally we may have our Sherlock Holmes 3.

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