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Rogue One | December 16, 2016 | 155M OW... nearly immeasurable | SPOILERS NOW ALLOWED

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4 hours ago, Gamora said:

The only way I'd bother seeing ANH in theatres is if it wasn't that awful "specialised" edition with all the added CG bullshit. If it was the original version then I'd be all for it, they'd make a great double feature, but the odds for that are low.

 

Thank god the odds for that are low. I wouldn't pay to see an old version of the movie at all, in any format. I grew up having to watch that shitty quality VHS tape and I would never, ever submit to that again. It looks FAR better with updated effects, clean lines with matte lines removed, it's just a night-and-day difference. I became a real fan when the Special Editions came out and it was largely because I was so blown away by how good the movies looked and that really drew me back into the story. Thankfully I don't think Disney would ever release what is now just an old, rough draft version of the film into theaters again. BLECH is all I have to say to that. No thank you!

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5 hours ago, Gamora said:

The only way I'd bother seeing ANH in theatres is if it wasn't that awful "specialised" edition with all the added CG bullshit. If it was the original version then I'd be all for it, they'd make a great double feature, but the odds for that are low.

 

Yea, I want the original version but with cleaned up effects. I heard the 1990ish laserdisc edition is just that. Pre-Special Edition but with restored effects to an extent. 

 

A special edition this year is the only way ANH can stay in the top 10. Episode VIII will kick it out of the top 10 for the first time in decades. 

 

4 star wars films in the top 10. my goodness!

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47 minutes ago, JonathanLB said:

 

Thank god the odds for that are low. I wouldn't pay to see an old version of the movie at all, in any format. I grew up having to watch that shitty quality VHS tape and I would never, ever submit to that again. It looks FAR better with updated effects, clean lines with matte lines removed, it's just a night-and-day difference. I became a real fan when the Special Editions came out and it was largely because I was so blown away by how good the movies looked and that really drew me back into the story. Thankfully I don't think Disney would ever release what is now just an old, rough draft version of the film into theaters again. BLECH is all I have to say to that. No thank you!

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1 hour ago, JonathanLB said:

 

Thank god the odds for that are low. I wouldn't pay to see an old version of the movie at all, in any format. I grew up having to watch that shitty quality VHS tape and I would never, ever submit to that again. It looks FAR better with updated effects, clean lines with matte lines removed, it's just a night-and-day difference. I became a real fan when the Special Editions came out and it was largely because I was so blown away by how good the movies looked and that really drew me back into the story. Thankfully I don't think Disney would ever release what is now just an old, rough draft version of the film into theaters again. BLECH is all I have to say to that. No thank you!

 

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You all can facepalm and meme all you want, but there plenty of people who either prefer the so-called special editions, or in fact don't give a load of fetid dingo's kidneys about the changes.

 

Frankly, I find the (hopefully mostly exaggerated by the time) outrage over it a little sad.  Been nearly twenty years, time to move on folks.

 

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Except, of course, for the changes made to the Max Rebo band. Fuck that shit and hard.:rant:

 

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Isn't it up to Fox for ANH re-release?

 

 

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Exactly, I think most moviegoers are barely even aware of the difference or / and don't give a crap. What they would care about is just how crappy the old prints looked, though. I have the non-SE laserdiscs and to be fair they are fairly good, they are cleaned up, but they're not as good as they could be. For me, I really don't care about stuff like Jabba being in ANH, I think it's cool, it ties in with the rest of the story, but I wouldn't mind if it wasn't there, either. I don't care who shot first, I think it's good as it is with them shooting at the same time. Lucas was being silly to change it, but fans were being silly to think it matters much. Han is just as awesome either way. I've never heard such a nerdy argument, like who cares who shot first? Whatever way you cut it, EVEN IF Han shot first, it would still be self-defense because he knew Greedo was there to kill him. That's why I say it doesn't matter, and why Lucas should have left it alone, but it's his baby so if he wanted to change it that was fine too. I just didn't see the motivation. 

 

The other changes, though, I really honestly don't know what's wrong with people. You want Cloud City to be all walled off and look so boring? I mean seriously? The changes to ESB were a MASSIVE improvement! Cloud City looks beautiful and vibrant, not dormant and boring like it did before. There's no way I could bring myself to watch those scenes all while knowing there's a better version out there that actually reflects how it should look. Or you really want the old woman as the emperor back? I mean you're joking, right? That was better than having IAN MCDIARMID -- the actual EMPEROR -- in the movie? If you say that, I clearly know you're trolling, because nobody thinks that. The redone scene with Emperor Palpatine and not the old woman who appeared there before is obviously an improvement in every respect. Not only does it LOOK better, but the performance is better, the dialogue makes more sense and correctly matches the rest of the saga, and it's played by the only person who should be playing the emperor -- the masterful Ian McDiarmid. 

 

I can understand some fans' nostalgia-tinted opinion of ANH, to some degree, because of the scale of changes made, but the changes to ESB were fairly subtle and really only enhance the visual appeal of the film. It's about the storytelling and when you have outdated effects left and right, matte lines sticking out of the snow, and an old woman playing the emperor, you are left with a movie that's less accessible to modern audiences and just looks dated. As it is, ESB looks incredible even by today's standards. It's just a great movie. 

 

I'm very happy that Lucas is the type of filmmaker that he is, where he isn't hesitant to go back and improve things, because otherwise I'd have to stare at that horrible Yoda puppet in TPM for the rest of my life. When it came out in theaters, I tried not to think much of it, I love Yoda, he's my favorite character, and I just kind of assumed oh ok well he's younger so I guess he looks different? But if we're being honest Yoda looked stoned as all hell in TPM's theatrical release. He looked like he combined Oregon and California weed in some super-weed hybrid and smoked the world's largest bowl full of it before each scene. Poor guy was stoned out of his mind while thinking about the whole Anakin prophecy. Then Yoda magically looked incredible and expressive and just perfect in AOTC, so I'm really happy they went back and fixed that. If we had it the way the Star Wars purists want things, I guess nothing would ever be changed or improved because automatically it's the best the way you first saw it.

 

I watched the Star Wars movies 100+ times when I was a kid, on my VHS tapes. I couldn't have been happier to see all of the changes and never watch those old crappy versions again. I guess I'm not full of nostalgia. I just prefer things to look as good as they possibly can.

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11 minutes ago, Treecraft said:

I have nothing to say other than:

 

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(Love ya Tree, but it's too good to pass up :P)

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15 minutes ago, Treecraft said:

I have nothing to say other than:

 

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2 hours ago, Treecraft said:

I have nothing to say other than:

 

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Well then. Best to just not engage.

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Wait, what? Lmao. It shows up normally on my screen. I had no idea what you guys were referring to. :lol:

 

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I think the worst kind of complaints are the ones that claim to "just want the originals", yet whine about it when they actually get them. Some people clamored to have the originals released on DVD, so Lucasfilm added them as bonus, and the very same people started to complain that the effects weren't up to date and that the sound wasn't following the newest standard. Well, duh. These kind of people are nothing but hypocrits. They don't want the originals, they want to cherry-pick the best parts from all releases. You can't mock Lucas for tinkering with the movies, and then turn around and ask to get a release in which the effects and sound have been tinkered with.

 

It's not like I agree with all the changes, some are rather redundant, but ~99% of the work wasn't new scenes anyway but cleaning up or improving effects, and those do a lot to improve the movies. The one thing that bothers me the most - and it's not something that takes enjoyment out of watching the movies - is now having three different voices for Vader in the German version of ESB. There is the amazing original voice, which was just perfect, but the voice actor wasn't available for the SE anymore and died sometime after. A bad voice that sounded little like Vader that got added in the SE, with Vader ordering his Star Destroyer to prepare for his arrival. Plus another not much better voice that had to deal with the new conversation between Vader and the Emperor. I think the latter was also used for ROTS and Rogue One, if yes, they finally got him to sound a bit better for the latter. Though it is still a far cry from the original, which I even prefer over James Earl Jones, as amazing as JEJ himself is in that role.

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7 minutes ago, George Parr said:

I think the worst kind of complaints are the ones that claim to "just want the originals", yet whine about it when they actually get them. Some people clamored to have the originals released on DVD, so Lucasfilm added them as bonus, and the very same people started to complain that the effects weren't up to date and that the sound wasn't following the newest standard. Well, duh. These kind of people are nothing but hypocrits. They don't want the originals, they want to cherry-pick the best parts from all releases. You can't mock Lucas for tinkering with the movies, and then turn around and ask to get a release in which the effects and sound have been tinkered with.

 

That's because the DVD releases were literally VHS transfers.

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Yes, but that's not the point. You can't say that changes suck and the movie shouldn't be tinkered with, and then turn around and demand that the movie should be tinkered with. Either you want to preserve the original or you don't, you can't have both things at the same time.

 

It's the hypocracy that is the problem, not any argument over certain changes being right or wrong.

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1 hour ago, George Parr said:

Yes, but that's not the point. You can't say that changes suck and the movie shouldn't be tinkered with, and then turn around and demand that the movie should be tinkered with. Either you want to preserve the original or you don't, you can't have both things at the same time.

 

It's the hypocracy that is the problem, not any argument over certain changes being right or wrong.

 

VHS isn't the original though. As well, preserving work isn't just keeping it in it's original state, it's repair, cleaning, even minor changes. The technical stuff, like cleaning the image, the sound, taking care of green screen bleed through. None of these are the changes people complain about. When people complain about changes, it's the jabba scene, it's Han shooting first, it's all the CGI in Mos Eisley. It isn't, hey the ground below the speeder isn't blurry anymore.

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Just pointing out that if they release the originals non special editions they will still have updated the sound mix/color. They just wouldn't change anything. Its not gonna look like some old grainy film scan on DVD

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ESB special edition is really good

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20 minutes ago, robertman2 said:

ESB special edition is really good

 

I loathe the changes to the dialogue between Vader and the Emperor (NOT the fact that they inserted McDiarmid, as much as I struggle to take McDiarmid seriously after ROTS) because they kinda spoil the "I'm your father" reveal, and it's a bit puzzling that Vader wouldn't already know that the rebel that destroyed the Death Star is his son - he's already referred to him as "Skywalker" earlier in the film, and the opening crawl clearly states that he is "obsessed with finding the young Skywalker". 

 

The other changes I think are unnecessary, but aren't a big deal. I actually prefer the older version of Bespin - since they tell you it's a backwater colony, yet now it looks like a megalopolis - but meh, I can live with that. 

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