Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Boxx93

Venezuela Box Office Thread | (Cars 3 opens strong Nº1; Wonder Woman and Mummy holds strong; healthy drop from Pirates 5)

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Well, like I promised I opened a thread about the box office of my country. I will strat with the yearly results, some short analysis about the nature of the market here..
 
I dont have the numbers of admissions because that is really hard information to find so I only have Box Office Mojo as my source of information about the box office of my country. There is available data since 2008 so I will start with that year until present.
 
Every Wednesday or Thursday I will give updates about weekend box office and movies coming out the following weekend along with my predictions. Please feel free to add information if I miss anything.
 
2008
1 Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa $5,452,823 12/12

2 Kung Fu Panda $4,646,290 7/11 3

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor $4,609,277 8/1

4 Wall-E $4,003,106 8/8

5 Hancock $3,603,410 7/4

6 The Dark Knight $3,488,816 7/18

7 The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian $3,292,014 6/20

8 Get Smart $3,043,734 6/27

9 10,000 B.C. $2,779,173 3/21

10 Twilight $2,766,971 12/19

11 Speed Racer $2,730,600 5/9

12 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $2,682,566 5/22

13 What Happens in Vegas $2,480,128 5/16

14 The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008) $2,352,448 12/12

15 Bolt $2,236,184 12/19

16 Journey to the Center of the Earth $2,113,054 9/26

17 Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who! $1,968,000 3/14

18 The Happening $1,910,445 6/13

19 Iron Man $1,891,944 4/30

20 You Don't Mess with the Zohan $1,886,460 8/29

 

Exchange rate: US $1 = 2.1518 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte
 
2009
 

1 Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Fox $11,644,527 7/3

2 2012 Sony $8,046,572 11/13

3 Up Disney $7,249,646 6/5

4 Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince WB $6,610,040 7/15

5 G-Force Disney $5,183,475 7/31

6 Avatar Fox $5,125,939 12/18

7 Fast and Furious UIP $4,604,144 4/3

8 Angels & Demons Sony $4,444,803 5/15

9 Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian Fox $4,372,866 5/22

10 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen UIP $4,030,620 6/26

11 Bedtime Stories Disney $3,556,942 2/13

12 Yes Man WB $3,356,562 1/23

13 Monsters Vs. Aliens UIP $3,033,291 4/3

14 G.I. Joe UIP $2,871,704 8/7

15 The Twilight Saga: New Moon n/a $2,782,375 12/4

16 Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins Sony $2,679,579 6/4

17 The Proposal Disney $2,636,592 8/14

18 The Hangover WB $2,605,296 8/28

19 X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fox $2,524,914 4/30

20 Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs Sony $2,287,269 10/9

 
*Note:  The real total gross for Avatar is $10.018.880 and New Moon is actually $5.438.278 but BOM lowered their totals because on the weekend of January 15th, 2010 the exchange rate increased from BsF 2.2 per Dollar to BsF 4.3 per Dollar  but these movies where released about a month before the change happened so BOM got this one wrong

 

Exchange rate: US $1 = 4.2897 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte
 
2010
 

1 Tangled Disney $6,863,748 11/26

2 Toy Story 3 Disney $6,339,322 6/18

3 Shrek Forever After UIP $5,984,037 7/9

4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Part One) WB $4,743,014 11/19

5 Alice in Wonderland (2010) Disney $4,335,113 3/5

6 La hora cero n/a $3,947,360 10/8

7 Tron Legacy UIP $3,419,740 12/17

8 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse n/a $3,220,661 7/2

9 Clash of the Titans (2010) WB $3,010,415 4/16

10 The Karate Kid Sony $2,638,033 8/6

11 The Sorcerer's Apprentice Disney $2,603,094 9/3

12 Grown Ups Sony $2,541,731 7/30

13 Megamind UIP $2,512,019 12/10

14 Old Dogs UIP $2,468,108 2/5

15 Resident Evil: Afterlife Sony $2,447,898 9/10

16 Despicable Me UIP $2,321,604 8/13

17 The Last Airbender UIP $2,262,106 8/27

18 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Disney $2,221,861 7/23

19 Iron Man 2 UIP $1,903,726 4/30

20 Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole WB $1,785,409 10/1

 
Exchange rate:US $1 =4.2897 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte
 
2011

 

1 Kung Fu Panda 2 UIP $8,363,469 6/10

2 Rio Fox $8,133,434 4/8

3 The Smurfs Sony $7,757,729 8/5

4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Part Two) WB $7,526,732 7/15

5 Puss in Boots UIP $7,267,168 12/9

6 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (3D) Disney $6,569,664 5/20

7 Fast Five UIP $6,472,460 6/3

8 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1 n/a $4,769,360 11/18

9 Cars 2 Disney $4,570,943 8/19

10 Zookeeper Sony $4,018,127 7/22

11 Er Conde Jones (Count Jones) n/a $3,579,383 8/26

12 Real Steel Disney $3,491,730 12/2

13 Mr. Popper's Penguins Fox $3,122,579 9/16

14 The Rite WB $2,833,818 3/4

15 Just Go With It Sony $2,805,280 4/15

16 Green Lantern WB $2,663,058 9/2

17 Thor UIP $2,647,111 4/29

18 Transformers 3 n/a $2,618,374 10/14

19 The Hangover Part II WB $2,600,995 5/27

20 Yogi Bear WB $2,568,366 1/28

 

Exchange rate: US $1 =4.2897 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte
 
2012

 

 

 1 Ice Age: Continental Drift Fox $14,680,514 7/20

2 The Avengers (2012) Disney $13,216,039 4/27

3 Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted UIP $12,554,510 6/8

4 Wreck-It Ralph Disney $11,182,824 12/28

5 Brave Disney $10,180,176 8/10

6 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 n/a $9,353,315 11/16

7 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony $7,386,300 7/3

8 The Dark Knight Rises WB $7,143,582 7/27

9 Wrath of the Titans WB $6,820,191 3/30

10 MIB 3 Sony $5,465,350 5/25

11 Hotel Transylvania Sony $5,251,698 11/30

12 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey WB $4,966,787 12/21

13 Resident Evil: Retribution Sony $4,620,969 9/14

14 Jack and Jill Sony $4,543,361 1/13

15 Snow White and the Huntsman UIP $4,398,410 8/24

16 Rise of the Guardians UIP $3,688,494 11/30

17 El cartel de los sapos n/a $3,042,064 10/19

18 Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked Fox $3,025,136 2/3

19 John Carter UIP $2,984,453 3/9

20 Taken 2 Fox $2,962,847 12/7

 

Exchange rate: US $1 =4.2897 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte

 

2013

 

1 Papita, maní, tostón n/a $15,411,035 12/20

2 Frozen (2013) Disney $12,514,904 12/20

3 Iron Man 3 UIP $12,442,756 4/26

4 Despicable Me 2 UIP $10,935,072 7/5

5 Thor: The Dark World Disney $9,147,580 11/8

6 Monsters University Disney $8,724,100 6/21

7 Fast & Furious 6 UIP $8,140,168 6/21

8 The Croods Fox $7,265,547 3/22

9 Oz The Great and Powerful Disney $6,555,618 3/8

10 The Smurfs 2 Sony $6,236,042 8/2

11 Epic Fox $5,475,886 5/17

12 Turbo Fox $5,303,110 8/16

13 Life of Pi Fox $5,200,264 2/8

14 Planes Disney $4,758,012 9/6

15 La casa del fin de los tiempos (The House of the End Times) n/a $4,350,990 6/21

16 Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters UIP $4,310,527 3/29

17 Grown Ups 2 Sony $4,286,756 8/30

18 Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 Sony $4,248,641 12/12

19 Man of Steel WB $4,215,687 6/14

20 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire n/a $4,049,230 11/22

 

Exchange rate: US $1 = 6.2873 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte

 

Note: The real total gross for The Croods its $10.594.928. I dont know why but on the weekend of June 7-9, 2014 BOM fucked up the total for the movie and there was not even a change of dollar rate in the market.

 

2014 (So Far)

 

 

1 Maleficent Disney $17,953,206 5/30

2 Rio 2 Fox $15,080,595 5/2

3 Captain America: The Winter Soldier Disney $10,076,143 3/28

4 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $8,279,036 6/20

5 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $7,330,737 4/25

6 Azul y no tan rosa n/a $4,164,672 2/14

7 300: Rise of An Empire WB $3,688,605 3/7

8 Noah UIP $3,557,277 5/9

9 Godzilla (2014) WB $3,278,670 5/16

10 Walking with Dinosaurs Fox $2,947,310 1/31

11 Robocop (2014) Sony $2,821,410 2/7

12 Mr. Peabody & Sherman Fox $2,769,858 4/4

13 Divergent n/a $2,715,376 5/23

14 Edge of Tomorrow WB $2,621,537 6/6

15 Escape Plan n/a $2,555,520 1/3

16 The Lego Movie WB $2,372,628 3/21

17 Pelo malo n/a $2,324,681 4/16

18 Need for Speed Disney $2,093,714 3/14

19 The Legend of Hercules n/a $1,858,476 2/21

20 Non-Stop n/a $1,820,001 2/28

 

Exchange rate: US $1 = 6.2873 Venezuelan Bolivar Fuerte

 

Well as you can see up until 2012 the highest grossing films of each year where animated films, either from Disney, DreamWorks or Blue Sky. That is because other than Marvel superhero movies, the animated family films are the hot ticket here, almost garanteed box office hits. Here we have no "animation is just for kids" complex like other countries have. If its good everybody will go and see it.

 

On 2013 that streak was going to continue until a local movie called Papita Mani Tostón came out on December 20th,  2013. This movie is a comedy about a couple who are fans of different baseball local teams, but these local teams are the eternal rivals (Lions of Caracas vs Sailors of Magallanes) and the boyfriend has to pretend in front the girlfriends family that he is a Magillian fan because her dad is non other than the manager of the Magillians team. It was a pretty big deal because baseball is the national sport here and Lion and Magillians truly are rival teams (I am a Lions fan myself :) ) and the movie was really really good. Its the first time that a local movie truly reflected the humorous venezuelan nature on screen so it became a huge success.

 

The Venezuelan market is a very leggy one and competition is not really a problem but its in fact the opposite. The more movies are in theatres the better all movies will perform in general because we like variety, If nothing new is released in 2 or 3 weeks we just stop going and all movies perform bad no matter how good they are.

 

Some of you make ask yourselves how come a country with such a bad economy can have a very healthy movie bussiness. Well the awnser its this: We are awere that this is a shitty country  with a really bad economy, the social problems are even worse, insecurity is insane and dont even get me started about the politians here. The news at the TV and the papers are always depressing and its difficult to find pretty much any product anywhere because of lack of production. But like any other normal person we dont like to be depressed all time so we go to the movies to forget about these problems for at least two hours in a dark room. After all that is waht movie are made for, to escape from life just for a moment. But this is not a poor country (we produce and export petrolium) and people are not stupid, we will get out of this crisis and this corrupt goverment when the time comes.

 

But we love movies no matter how good or bad things are and we will keep going because we deeply enjoy it.

 

Well, Tomorrow or sooner I will post the weekend numbers as soon as BOM has the data available.

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Hello new thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

 

I'm looking forwards for some exciting numbers.

 

Cheers.

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I need to support this,another latin american country BO, we need to know more about them given they're fast-growing :) I'm in :D

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A new country thread!

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Great thread, have been interested in DOFP box office run in Venezuela as it's really doing well there.

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I wanna see thr OW records!

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TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Gross Change Screens Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week
1 2 Maleficent Disney $791,037 -31.3% 81 -7 $9,766 $17,953,206 7
2 1 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $686,009 -42.1% 90 -10 $7,622 $8,279,036 4
3 4 Blended WB $371,551 +24.3% 26 +5 $14,290 $932,542 2
4 3 The Games Maker Disney $212,322 -31.0% 37 -4 $5,738 $702,302 2
5 5 3 Days to Kill n/a $113,418 -35.8% 25 -4 $4,537 $755,289 3
6 6 Rio 2 Fox $107,059 -34.6% 48 -1 $2,230 $15,080,595 11
7 7 Edge of Tomorrow WB $104,703 -30.0% 29 -3 $3,610 $2,621,537 6
8 9 Homefront n/a $66,481 -34.3% 14 -2 $4,749 $239,907 2
9 10 The Other Woman (2014) Fox $63,031 -28.3% 23 +1 $2,740 $1,291,929 6
10 8 Tarzan (2013) n/a $62,115 -45.7% 33 -1 $1,882 $1,418,725 5
11 N Draft Day n/a $60,230 - 15 - $4,015 $60,230 1
12 14 Heaven is for Real Sony $50,249 +9.0% 9 +2 $5,583 $135,122 2
13 13 Divergent n/a $37,461 -23.9% 19 - $1,972 $2,715,376 8
14 11 Las Caras Del Diablo 2 n/a $36,086 -48.9% 11 -6 $3,281 $549,569 4
15 12 A Haunted House 2 n/a $30,882 -48.3% 6 -4 $5,147 $225,162 3
16 15 Devil's Due Fox $27,346 -3.6% 10 +3 $2,735 $467,047 5
17 16 Papita, maní, tostón n/a $16,153 -37.8% 5 -1 $3,231 $15,411,035 30
18 29 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $379 -52.8% 3 +1 $126 $7,330,737 12
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FINALLY!!!!! 

 

Fucking HTML. That thing gave me such a headache.

 

I will post the other weekend table tomorrow, I was just testing with the more recent one 

 

The weekend records, I will post it probably on the weekend.

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Wow Mal still #1 and this is missing this weekends Gross. Should def be above 18M now. Edit its on 19.7M here is the current chart http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/venezuela/?yr=2014&wk=29&p=new [table]TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Gross Change Screens Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week1 N How to Train Your Dragon 2 Fox $1,645,988 - 107 - $15,383 $1,910,726 12 1 Maleficent Disney $934,500 +18.1% 72 -9 $12,979 $19,741,980 83 2 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $633,569 -7.6% 72 -18 $8,800 $9,661,545 54 3 Blended WB $524,727 +41.2% 29 +3 $18,094 $1,890,830 35 6 Rio 2 Fox $138,567 +29.4% 37 -11 $3,745 $15,363,085 126 4 The Games Maker Disney $104,801 -50.6% 21 -16 $4,991 $1,098,831 37 5 3 Days to Kill n/a $101,716 -10.3% 16 -9 $6,357 $977,837 48 8 Homefront n/a $67,469 +1.5% 12 -2 $5,622 $384,978 39 11 Draft Day n/a $66,953 +11.2% 7 -8 $9,565 $192,673 210 7 Edge of Tomorrow WB $64,486 -38.4% 15 -14 $4,299 $2,813,080 711 12 Heaven is for Real Sony $59,166 +17.8% 8 -1 $7,396 $246,089 312 10 Tarzan (2013) n/a $53,227 -14.3% 27 -6 $1,971 $1,562,228 613 9 The Other Woman (2014) Fox $52,598 -16.6% 13 -10 $4,046 $1,439,464 714 14 Las Caras Del Diablo 2 n/a $39,824 +10.4% 7 -4 $5,689 $626,415 515 13 Divergent n/a $30,034 -19.8% 7 -12 $4,291 $2,790,925 916 15 A Haunted House 2 n/a $23,306 -24.5% 4 -2 $5,827 $284,753 417 17 Papita, maní, tostón n/a $21,152 +31.0% 6 +1 $3,525 $15,453,205 3118 - Corpus Christi n/a $17,168 - 6 - $2,861 $229,604 619 - Pelo malo n/a $15,299 - 2 - $7,650 $2,379,070 1420 - L'amour dure trois ans n/a $13,608 - 3 - $4,536 $267,135 821 16 Devil's Due Fox $12,067 -55.9% 5 -5 $2,413 $508,022 622 - Instructions Not Included n/a $8,311 - 3 - $2,770 $1,071,159 2223 - Lone Survivor n/a $7,513 - 5 - $1,503 $352,801 824 - Oculus n/a $6,337 - 2 - $3,169 $602,450 1025 - Noah UIP $5,193 - 2 - $2,597 $3,589,061 1126 N Les adieux à la reine (Farewell, My Queen) n/a $4,601 - 1 - $4,601 $5,505 127 - A Royal Affair n/a $3,265 - 1 - $3,265 $195,160 1628 - Godzilla (2014) WB $2,673 - 1 - $2,673 $3,296,761 1029 18 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $1,765 +365.7% 4 +1 $441 $7,333,786 13[/table]

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Maleficent added $1.8m last week. Its new total is $19.7m!!! It's going to be the first movie to do more than $20m in a latin american country which is not Mexico, Brazil or Argentina!!!! Top grosser film ever in Venezuela, beating the second one by more than 30%!!!! Really Impressive!!!

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Plus it increased 18.1%. Ridiculous and amazing at the same time.

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Well as expected, How To Train Your Dragon 2 was heavily benefited by Children´s Day and Summer Vacations, plus it earned an additional $264.738 for a Total of $1,910,726 from the Sunday Preview of June 13th, witch is impressive given that it was the same day that the Final World Cup Game was broadcasted on national television.

 

To put things in perspective, the first How to Train Your Dragon had an opening weekend of $230,390 (it increased to $271,301 in its second weekend) for a total gross of $1,719,199. This means that Dragon 2 already surpassed the opening weeknd of Dragon 1 in ONE day at the same time as the World Cup Final and it already surpassed the total gross of Dragon 1 in four days including the previews. That is a monster success. Of course  the good will of the first one and the Dragons of Berk show also helped but this is something really amazing to behold. If it follows the same trajectory of X-Men, Dragon 2 should blow past $10 million in Venezuela. 

 

Maleficent continues to show really strong legs on the Venezuelan market as the Angelina Jolie tentpole earns another $934,500 for a total gross of $19,741,980 after eight weeks in theatres. the crazy thing is that it did not decreased, IT INCREASED. This can be highly attributed to Children´s day given that Maleficent is a very popular movie with children, even more so than Frozen (But the success of Maleficent is partly because of Frozen so there is that) and there was probably a spillover effect from the high opening of Dragon 2 that made Maleficent as the second choice for families. Planes 2 is coming up next weekend but it is unlikely that it will cut Maleficent legs. a total of $23-25 million should come as no surprise.

 

X-Men: Days of Future Past continues its strong run on its fifth weekend decreasing just a mere 7% with $633,569 for a total of $9,661,545. after the harsh drop from last weekend X-Men recovers this weekend with the end of the World Cup that was keeping aways its main audience: Teenagers and young adults. With Summer Vacations ahead and no direct competition until Guardians of The Galaxy hits Venezuela on August 8th, Days of Future Past should have no problem reaching at least a final number of just shy under $12 million.

 

Blended was the most benefited from this weekend increasing 41,2% with $524,727 for a total of $1,890,830. Theatre owners should realize by now that giving Blended so little number of screens was an incredibly stupid idea. Adam Sandler movies (and raunchy american comedies in general) always does solid bussiness at the Venezuelan Box Office, he is a pretty big comedy star here. It is only logic that a movie with such a demand would have the highest increase from the top 5. I hope they increase the number of screens a little more because there is potential for big numbers here.

 

Yes, Maleficent is a big surprise here but Rio 2 does not stays behind. This week with Childrens Day it increased 29,4% with $138,567 for a total of $15,363,085.  Even after 3 months Rio 2 continues to exceed expectations by staying at the top 5 for 12 weekends in a row. Maybe the brazilian flavor in the middle of the World Cup fever along with the strong good will from the first one (witch was also a pretty big event here) helped the movie to stay as long  as it could. And probably the spillover effect from both Dragon 2 and Maleficent helped a bit with its increase. Its final total should be $16-17 million.

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Thank you all for supporting this thread. It means a lot to me that my country can impress BO enthusiast like us.  :wub:

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Yay Venezuelan thread!

 

And a great success for Dragon 2!

 

This is sooo great!

 

I was wondering about the insecurity and economy, thanks for clearing that right out the gate.

 

I wish Centroamérica's number were just as accesible/big...

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Papita, maní, tostón surely had 30x OW multiplier!!!

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This market and the Brazilian market have similar trends :)I really hope Big Hero 6 can do well there :)

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I know it's a long way to go but I just realise that TF4 is opening in Venezuela as it's last OS market on 22nd of August.

 

So if the unthinkable happened and TF4 had trouble reaching a billion, this market would be my last hope. :ph34r:

 

No pressure. :lol:

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TF3 did pretty badly... so how much will TF4 do? 5M?

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