Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Spider-Man: Homecoming | July 7, 2017 | NOT THE MARVEL-DC THREAD

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6 minutes ago, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

Unfortunately, that's what it's going to be though and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the reviews reflected that as well.. When you shove it down everyone's throat repeatedly, people begin to grow tired and will walk away.. They just want to be entertained is all..

Nothing is being pushed down anyone's throat. They made a high school in Queens actually look like a high school in Queens. There's no political statement by casting people to accurately reflect that. If you think there is, that's on you, not them.

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35 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

is this a safe space for me to admit i like the Snow Patrol Spider-Man 3 song? it's good!

 

I can't...remember it.

 

I think it was called like...Signal Fire? 

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52 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

Nothing is being pushed down anyone's throat. They made a high school in Queens actually look like a high school in Queens. There's no political statement by casting people to accurately reflect that. If you think there is, that's on you, not them.

 

Maybe the next Spider-Man reboot should be set in the same town from Pleasantville; that way there won't be any complaints with words like "PC culture," "SWJs," "Identity Politics," and "feminazis." It will be wholesome family fun for the entire [white, heterosexual, nuclear] family. :P 

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2 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:

No offense, but this positivity culture stuff is going a little too far. Not everything is always sunshine and rainbows. We should be allowed to be just as vocal about skepticism and disappointment as we are about joy and excitement. I am really rooting for this movie for the same reasons as ddddeeee essentially. But to me, it looks like the most generic version of this movie they could have possibly made. It looks mediocre and boring. We have a right to be disappointed by that. It could very well surprise us, and I hope it does. But the only evidence we have is from the marketing, and that's how people here are feeling from the marketing. That's why they say it. It's a legitimate opinion. People should be able to voice that stuff, in this topic and otherwise, without being accused of shitting on something all the time. 

 

Hot take: Treating everything in life as sunshine and rainbows diminishes the actual great things in life, whether cultural stuff or personal stuff. 

 

If I were I fan this would be the last place I'd post...guess the front page post is invalid

 

I rarely post so I care relatively

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2 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:

No offense, but this positivity culture stuff is going a little too far. Not everything is always sunshine and rainbows. We should be allowed to be just as vocal about skepticism and disappointment as we are about joy and excitement. I am really rooting for this movie for the same reasons as ddddeeee essentially. But to me, it looks like the most generic version of this movie they could have possibly made. It looks mediocre and boring. We have a right to be disappointed by that. It could very well surprise us, and I hope it does. But the only evidence we have is from the marketing, and that's how people here are feeling from the marketing. That's why they say it. It's a legitimate opinion. People should be able to voice that stuff, in this topic and otherwise, without being accused of shitting on something all the time. 

 

Hot take: Treating everything in life as sunshine and rainbows diminishes the actual great things in life, whether cultural stuff or personal stuff. 

 

I care very little about this movie or about Spider-Man in general, but while I agree with you that all opinions and expectations are valid and can be expressed, threads where people do nothing but bag on a movie that hasn't even opened just end up being miserable places to be. And that's not particularly fair to those who *are* invested. 

 

If you aren't excited about it, or think it looks bad, fair enough, and of course say so. The sunshine stuff is just a reminder that if you're doing nothing *but* that, maybe a better use of your time would be to post about other movies that you *are* excited about. 

 

(The "you" here is meant generally, not directed at you specifically, Cmaster).

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Posters popping up around London. While I'm not even the slightest bit excited for this movie, I'm starting to get the feeling it'll breakout big time. 

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1 hour ago, Hatebox said:

Posters popping up around London. While I'm not even the slightest bit excited for this movie, I'm starting to get the feeling it'll breakout big time. 

 

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14 hours ago, Cochofles said:

Maybe the next Spider-Man reboot should be set in the same town from Pleasantville; that way there won't be any complaints with words like "PC culture," "SWJs," "Identity Politics," and "feminazis." It will be wholesome family fun for the entire [white, heterosexual, nuclear] family. :P 

 

But even Pleasantville became a hub of SJWisms and identity politics once Peter Parker arrived there :P

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My initial prediction

110M OW

300M Total usa 

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55 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

 

But even Pleasantville became a hub of SJWisms and identity politics once Peter Parker arrived there :P

 LOL So true!!! :D 

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This will be huge.No doubt about it.120M/340M and maybe even more.The only thing that stops me from upping my prediction is that we had many Spider-Man films this decade (and some were down right awful) and maybe Guardian and WW saturated the demand for SH films.

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I don't think pushing minority characters in a blockbuster is pushing down 'people's throat' if it is done well.

 

If a films cast a minority as some one-dimensional stereotypical character or frankly to avoid the label of 'being too white', then I get annoyed.

 

It should seem natural and if done well, it becomes something we get used to in see in our films in the future, then 'hey that character is a Latino!'  or more like 'he played his role well!' 

 

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I think the source of the problem is that most people suspect this movie is quite simply a cash grab

 

First of all it doesn't seem to be moving the story of the MCU forward. Really feels like a pointless but fun chapter.

 

One of the reasons why is because, when Marvel announced their full Phase 3 plans in 2014, Spider-Man: Homecoming wasn't in it. Then they added the movie later, but obviously he wasn't necessary or else they wouldn't have announced their whole plan already -- which means, Homecoming is a useless movie for the whole Phase 3 arc, and therefore, a useless movie in the grand scheme of things. No other phase 3 movie will suffer this problem as Homecoming was the only one added post-announcement (they might still be useless for all we know, but at least it's less obvious).

 

RDJ as Tony Stark screams $$$$$$$$$$ -- There are dozens of heroes in the MCU and yet, Stark it is! No shit, you just want to bank on him, it's beyond obvious even to the most oblivious of moviegoers.

 

The movie doesn't seem to be bringing anything new to the table, which brings up the cash grab aspect even more. Did they really work out a deal with Marvel just for... the same thing again?

 

Maybe it is different though, I don't know I haven't seen the movie. Purely going on marketing here.

 

There, I said what I thought. I'll be seeing this movie by the way, I hope it's a good movie, I really do, I really enjoy the MCU

 

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39 minutes ago, Daxtreme said:

I think the source of the problem is that most people suspect this movie is quite simply a cash grab

 

First of all it doesn't seem to be moving the story of the MCU forward. Really feels like a pointless but fun chapter.

 

To be honest, that's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to it. And, aside from a few nuggets being shoe-horned in, one the reasons I liked Guardians Vol. 2 so much. But, I understand the complaint. What's funny though, for the superhero flicks this summer at least, none of 'em seem to be moving much of anything forward in the overarching MCU/DCEU.

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I mean, Wonder Woman awkwardly bookends itself in the present just after the events of BvS but otherwise, the narrative is a flashback that doesn't even remotely more anything in the DCEU.

And, I think that's one of the reasons folks like Wonder Woman so much. It's refreshing that it's a departure from the usual in these extended/expanded universes for Marvel, DC, etc.

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51 minutes ago, Daxtreme said:

I think the source of the problem is that most people suspect this movie is quite simply a cash grab

 

First of all it doesn't seem to be moving the story of the MCU forward. Really feels like a pointless but fun chapter.

 

One of the reasons why is because, when Marvel announced their full Phase 3 plans in 2014, Spider-Man: Homecoming wasn't in it. Then they added the movie later, but obviously he wasn't necessary or else they wouldn't have announced their whole plan already -- which means, Homecoming is a useless movie for the whole Phase 3 arc, and therefore, a useless movie in the grand scheme of things. No other phase 3 movie will suffer this problem as Homecoming was the only one added post-announcement (they might still be useless for all we know, but at least it's less obvious).

 

RDJ as Tony Stark screams $$$$$$$$$$ -- There are dozens of heroes in the MCU and yet, Stark it is! No shit, you just want to bank on him, it's beyond obvious even to the most oblivious of moviegoers.

 

The movie doesn't seem to be bringing anything new to the table, which brings up the cash grab aspect even more. Did they really work out a deal with Marvel just for... the same thing again?

 

 

 

I see no lies here. ^^^

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

To be honest, that's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to it. And, aside from a few nuggets being shoe-horned in, one the reasons I liked Guardians Vol. 2 so much. But, I understand the complaint. What's funny though, for the superhero flicks this summer at least, none of 'em seem to be moving much of anything forward in the overarching MCU/DCEU.

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And, I think that's one of the reasons folks like Wonder Woman so much. It's refreshing that it's a departure from the usual in these extended/expanded universes for Marvel, DC, etc.

 

Well, for a chapter to happen on the side, it has to make sense.

 

Since WW happens in a World War 1 setting, it was like a flashback in a book, it kinda moves the story forward by providing important backstory for a character.

 

GOTG2 happened far, far away in the MCU galaxy, lightyears away from the nearest MCU protagonist, so it kinda makes sense that it's not related to The Avengers.

 

But Spider-Man: Homecoming is happening in New-York... exactly where The Avengers saved the world, where vigilantes are running amok (netflix shows), and where the Avengers tower was located before they split.

 

It better damn well be linked to the overarching story! :rofl:

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