Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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stripe

Score and soundtracks - 2015 discussion

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On 2015. 11. 13., stripe said:

The PT scores are incredible, but the OT scores are a step further in creativity and ambition. TPM is the best score of the PT, but I cannot consider AotC and RotS to be in the same outstanding level. They both sure had fantastic cues and are never less than impressive... But George Lucas killed AotC score editing previously released music in the third act, while RotS suffers a lot because of the not so inspired editing of the album.

The last two scores do not have an official complete edition and both really needed it.

TPM's score is better than the OT ones except Ep. 4. Duel of the Fates is the best SW music ever and some other themes like The Droid Invasion are great.

I love that Williams didn't copy himself and created something new and exciting. I hope he'll do the same with Ep. 7. Of course some of the classic themes should be included as well. I would appreciate a new version of the Imperial March. The one in the end of Attack of the Clones was awesome.

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14 minutes ago, misafeco said:

TPM's score is better than the OT ones except Ep. 4. Duel of the Fates is the best SW music ever and some other themes like The Droid Invasion are great.

I love that Williams didn't copy himself and created something new and exciting. I hope he'll do the same with Ep. 7. Of course some of the classic themes should be included as well. I would appreciate a new version of the Imperial March. The one in the end of Attack of the Clones was awesome.

 

The best SW score is ESB. The best theme is Empire's March (iconic gem), the Love theme is gorgeous, Yoda's theme, innovative rousing action pieces (Asteroid field, Hoth battle)...

 

After it, ANH, TPM, RotJ, RotS, AotC

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ESB>ANH>ROTS>ROTJ=TPM>AOTC

 

Hopefully TFA's score is high.

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1 hour ago, stripe said:

 

The best SW score is ESB. The best theme is Empire's March (iconic gem), the Love theme is gorgeous, Yoda's theme, innovative rousing action pieces (Asteroid field, Hoth battle)...

 

After it, ANH, TPM, RotJ, RotS, AotC

I like the Force theme better and it's just as iconic. But The Imperial March is great as well.

Star Wars minus Williams:

:D

Original scene:

 

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Newton Howard's work on MJ2 :wub: 

 

 

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Michael & Jeff Danna's score for TGD is really, really epic, having listened to it. Storm Chasers and Sky Sharks are intense tracks.

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On 11/18/2015, 6:28:52, stripe said:

 

The best SW score is ESB. The best theme is Empire's March (iconic gem), the Love theme is gorgeous, Yoda's theme, innovative rousing action pieces (Asteroid field, Hoth battle)...

 

After it, ANH, TPM, RotJ, RotS, AotC

 

I like your list.

 

Here's mine: ESB, ROTJ, ANH, TPM, ROTS, AOTC

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Craig Armstrong's score for Victor Frankenstein is stunning.

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On November 23, 2015 at 12:09:16 PM, Ethan Hunt said:

Newton Howard's work on MJ2 :wub: 

 

 

Very good score!

 

Looking back on the year my favourites so far have to be JW/IO

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Although obviously not original, I loved the score for Creed. Awesome remixes of an iconic theme

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Inside Out is probably my favorite for the year but MJ2 isn't far behind

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On 11/23/2015, 4:59:04, Daniel Dylan Davis said:

Michael & Jeff Danna's score for TGD is really, really epic, having listened to it. Storm Chasers and Sky Sharks are intense tracks.

 

Yes, like everything else about the movie it lived up to my hype.

 

Lots of highlights; the main fiddle-driven themes, the Hisaishi-esque "Mountain Top" and "Lost in the Woods", "Orphans" and "Run with the Herd" 

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The Force Awakens has really grown at me. At first I was disappointed but it took a few listens to really reveal itself. I love Rey's theme, Star Wars meets Harry Potter. Kylo Ren's motif is nifty too. Williams refuses to relent on the dense action music, this isn't for everyone but it really is for me.  Action scenes are scored nowadays with the music playing over the scene so it's always refreshing to hear Williams play inside the scene,  catching everything that's going on.

 

I think Williams mastered the balance between old and new in a way Abrams could never dream of doing. 

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4 hours ago, ddddeeee said:

The Force Awakens has really grown at me. At first I was disappointed but it took a few listens to really reveal itself. I love Rey's theme, Star Wars meets Harry Potter. Kylo Ren's motif is nifty too. Williams refuses to relent on the dense action music, this isn't for everyone but it really is for me.  Action scenes are scored nowadays with the music playing over the scene so it's always refreshing to hear Williams play inside the scene,  catching everything that's going on.

 

I think Williams mastered the balance between old and new in a way Abrams could never dream of doing. 

It's a really nuanced score, definitely a lot different than what we've heard from SW before. I'm starting to love it. 

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There's a lot to love from TFA score! Can't stop listening to Rey's theme, the finale, follow me, torn apart, the march... Just amazing cues!

 

I can't believe there are some that say this score doesn't feature memorable themes when we have two instant classic that also reflects how Williams has evolved these last years.

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TFA's score didn't blow me away, but I do admit I love Rey's theme. Is it wrong to say all the prequels had better scores than TFA?

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There's nothing wrong with personal tastes. Prequels scores were never less than brilliant.

 

For me, 

TPM is better than TFA.

AOTC has Across the Stars but had problems with the third act. Definetely under TFA.

ROTS has great score in the third act. And a great opening. I would rate it slightly below TFA.

 

A shame there's not an oficial Complete Score for Ep 2 & 3

 

Maybe, one of the problems with TFA score is that it wasn't recorded by the London Sinfony Orchestra. It affected to the overall sound.

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I prefer TFA to AotC and especially RotS.

 

Rey's theme is everything.

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Easily my least favorite score in any SW movies, and i listened to the whole album after seeing the movie. It's an okay score, any B list composer could've done it. It's very hard for me to say, but it's time for Williams to leave the franchise.

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8 minutes ago, misafeco said:

Easily my least favorite score in any SW movies, and i listened to the whole album after seeing the movie. It's an okay score, any B list composer could've done it. It's very hard for me to say, but it's time for Williams to leave the franchise.

I appreciate that you didn't like it but the idea that anyone else could have wrote it is nonsense. The intricacies of Williams' writing and the orchestrations are so far beyond anyone else working today. 

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