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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Should China be counted separately from the rest of the OS markets?

Should China's grosses be separated from Overseas' gross?   44 members have voted

  1. 1. Should China's grosses be separated from Overseas' gross?

    • Yes, China should be separate from Overseas Grosses, starting as soon as possible
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    • Yes, China should be separate from Overseas Grosses, but after ___ amount of time
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    • Yes, China should be separate from Overseas Grosses, but after a movie grosses ___ amount of money
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    • No, China should not be separate from Overseas Grosses
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We judge films based on DOM and OS, but now that China will soon have films that gross $500m due to its rapidly growing number of movie theaters and screens, should it be DOM + OS + China?

 

Compare films like DH2, Skyfall, and Transformers 3 + 4

 

China grosses:

 

DH2: $64m

Skyfall: $59m

TF3: $165m

TF4: $320m

Avengers: $88m

 

Without China:

 

DH2: $896m

Avengers: $807m

Skyfall: $744m

TF3: $606m

TF4: $525m

 

It's amazing how "small" TF4 is when taking China out of the equation. I mean, even if you take DH2's TWO BIGGEST markets (UK + Japan - which both did around $125m each), it would still be at $710m.

 

With the emergence of China, I think it's become necessary to make China its own category when factoring in worldwide grosses - not only because the numbers are growing massively by the day, but because it gives a better picture of what films did before China exploded. 

 

DOM + CHI + ROS (rest overseas) = WW

 

Avatar did $205m in 2009. It's easily going to do over $500m. Probably over $600m. 

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Pacific Rim 2 is gonna make more in China than in the rest of the world combined, so I agree.

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This has nothing to do about the validity of overseas grosses and more about dick stroking about DH2 box office run overseas. 

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is it not overseas anymore? is it part of the US?

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I think we should consider it.

China is still booming like crazy and we don t know how big it will become.

Here, we already have two 300 m us tentpoles grossers.

500m in 2020 ?

And never forget the irony that despite the huge chinese numbers, China government is a bitch and only gives back 25% of the gross so 25m from a 100m gross for the studio.

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Pacific Rim 2 is gonna make more in China than in the rest of the world combined, so I agree.

As long as they use China in as a setting for destruction.

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is it not overseas anymore? is it part of the US?

Why we single out Usa then, let s talk WW numbers only from now on.

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This has nothing to do about the validity of overseas grosses and more about dick stroking about DH2 box office run overseas. 

 

1. I don't need to dick stroke DH2's overseas gross or the Potter series for that matter which reign supreme over any blockbuster franchise. 

 

2. This has EVERYTHING to do with the completely changing dynamics of overseas box office.

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is it not overseas anymore? is it part of the US?

We're a part of China.

Or it's the future in Looper where China is the main place to be.

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I don't think so. The movies are still being produced in Hollywood and American culture is the one being spread around the world, so the rest of the countries can be lumped together on this topic IMHO. 

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is it not overseas anymore? is it part of the US?

 

how witty, coolio. you deserve a clap on the back for your amazing insight and contribution.

 

Why is North America counted as one separate entity? Because of its immense numbers and power as a film market. China is soon following the US.

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China will become bigger than the US market. The Avatar sequels will do st00pid business in China.

I am with Noctis on this one.

China is a demographic anomaly and they seem to love more and more us tentpoles.

The country is an exception on many levels.

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I think China would have to release more films to take this into consideration.

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I think China would have to release more films to take this into consideration.

 

Not just release them, but get Americans and other big countries to show up for them in droves the way Hollywood has gotten so much support in China, England, and everywhere else. 

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it's an america centric forum. sure there's a bunch of overseas members, myself included but the US numbers still generate the most discussion. that's why it's seperate. I didn't say whether it should be or not.

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i think we should.

 

also "dom" charts should be expanded to include most money made in a single market

 

so 2014 would be

  1. American Sniper - 348m DOM
  2. Mockingjay Part 1 - 337m DOM
  3. Guardians of the Galaxy - 333m DOM
  4. Transformers 4 - 320m CHINA
  5. Captain America 2 - 260m DOM

2015 currently

  1. Furious 7 - 307m DOM
  2. Furious 7 - 298m CHINA
  3. Cinderella - 188m DOM
  4. 50 Shades of Grey - 166m DOM
  5. Spongebob Movie - 162m DOM
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Why we single out Usa then, let s talk WW numbers only from now on.

this part of the forum for US box office discussion - 1.3 million posts.

 

os sub-forum - 130k posts. literally 10% of the discussion. that's why.

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it's an america centric forum. sure there's a bunch of overseas members, myself included but the US numbers still generate the most discussion. that's why it's seperate. I didn't say whether it should be or not.

 

But that's my point. China is easily generating the most discussion behind only the States. And films there can and will top the highest grossing film released in the States ($760m). It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when.

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I think it would be nice if we could break OS into smaller segments that are more or less akin to North America in economic power.

 

Maybe something like:

 

Latin America + Africa

Europe

Middle East + Central Asia

East Asia

SE Asia + Oceania

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this part of the forum for US box office discussion - 1.3 million posts.

 

os sub-forum - 130k posts. literally 10% of the discussion. that's why.

Of the 1.3 million posts for US box office discussion, much of them are in regards to OS and worldwide numbers, and reviewing films. Not to mention the out-of-topic posts. 

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