Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Telemachos

Franchise Wars: Marvel Vs DC Vs Star Wars vs etc. | Wiliam Hurt Returns as General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross

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ABANDON HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

I’m serious.

 

 

 

Consider this the official Marvel/DC argument thread. You want to talk about how brilliant the Feigian MCU is compared to the pathetic and confused Nolan-less DCCU? You want to talk about how his Majesty Christopher I crushes all these petty Marvel directors with his brilliance?

 

This is your thread. Have at it.

 

There are two reasons for this: first, in the hope that other threads, which regularly derail into much-covered Marvel vs. DC arguments, won’t be sidetracked as often.

 

The second: there are many legitimate reasons to discuss how/why Marvel or DC is doing something better, or a specific point of comparison between various movies. In other threads, people have occasionally hesitated to bring them up because they don’t want to start the old arguments again. Well, here, it is all open game.

 

Official Moderation Note #1: All existing forum rules still apply here. You can’t troll people. You can’t insult them. You can’t attack them personally, etc. 

 

Official Moderation Note #2: Other admins or moderators, at their discretion, can move posts or groups of posts from other threads and merge them into this one, if they feel the arguments elsewhere are overwhelming the thread in question.

 

Official Moderation Note #3: Spoilers should be tagged if any movie in the discussion has been out less than two weeks in the US.

 

Official Moderation Note #4: Please use this for any and all franchise/brand wars.

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I'll get things started off. There's been endless discussion about how wrong MAN OF STEEL screwed up Superman by having such tremendous civilian damage (and death) with little on-screen action or effort from Supes. 

 

How is this different from

the climax of CAPTAIN AMERICA 2, where Steve Rogers (and company) cause three giant hell-carriers to destroy each other over Washington D.C.? In specific, one of the heli-carriers crashes into the SHIELD building, which -- while it harbored many HYDRA agents, also harbored many innocent SHIELD office workers? Cap didn't seem particularly worked up about all the deaths and injuries he was causing, at least while he was conscious?

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There are two reasons for this: first, in the hope that other threads, which regularly derail into much-covered Marvel vs. DC arguments, won’t be sidetracked as often.

Haha. That's adorably naive, Tele.

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Did Tele just call us a bunch of whining c**ts

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Honestly I think this is a brilliant thread Tele. This way people can argue without it being considered off topic.

 

I prefer DC overall, but Marvel's been doing better.

 

Something like The Winter Soldier was successful, because although the tone was serious, it seemed like the characters could still make a joke that was relevant to the situation at hands, and still be exciting at the same time. Something like MOS however tries to be humorless, and doesn't exactly work as well in that regard.People say the reason why Marvel is more successful is because their characters are more relatable. I find to this to be B.S. though. A character like Captain America isn't a relatable concept on paper (he was originally just a product of his time and being powerful and strong was all that he had), yet they managed to two terrific movies based off him.And even then if Marvel can make Guardians of The Galaxy and Ant-Man successful, then that reasoning doesn't work at all.Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man (any incarnations, Pyme and Lang or whatever) are pretty unrelatable as far as Marvel characters go.Marvel's success isn't because audiences can feel for their characters, it's because they know how to make entertaining movie.

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Haha. That's adorably naive, Tele.

 

Haha. Except now, if I see it happening -- spit spot! -- the posts magically end up here. :ph34r:

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Honestly I think this is a brilliant thread Tele. This way people can argue without it being considered off topic.

 

I prefer DC overall, but Marvel's been doing better.

 

Something like The Winter Soldier was successful, because although the tone was serious, it seemed like the characters could still make a joke that was relevant to the situation at hands, and still be exciting at the same time. Something like MOS however tries to be humorless, and doesn't exactly work as well in that regard.People say the reason why Marvel is more successful is because their characters are more relatable. I find to this to be B.S. though. A character like Captain America isn't a relatable concept on paper (he was originally just a product of his time and being powerful and strong was all that he had), yet they managed to two terrific movies based off him.And even then if Marvel can make Guardians of The Galaxy and Ant-Man successful, then that reasoning doesn't work at all.Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man (any incarnations, Pyme and Lang or whatever) are pretty unrelatable as far as Marvel characters go.Marvel's success isn't because audiences can feel for their characters, it's because they know how to make entertaining movie.

Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Captain America are entertaining?

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I'll get things started off. There's been endless discussion about how wrong MAN OF STEEL screwed up Superman by having such tremendous civilian damage (and death) with little on-screen action or effort from Supes. 

 

How is this different from

the climax of CAPTAIN AMERICA 2, where Steve Rogers (and company) cause three giant hell-carriers to destroy each other over Washington D.C.? In specific, one of the heli-carriers crashes into the SHIELD building, which -- while it harbored many HYDRA agents, also harbored many innocent SHIELD office workers? Cap didn't seem particularly worked up about all the deaths and injuries he was causing, at least while he was conscious?

First of all, Cap can't fly, doesn't have super strength comparable to Supes and has absolutely no ability to control where the helicarriers crash. Also, he's been beaten/shot to shit by the Winter Soldier so there's not much he can do to help. Supes had every opportunity and ability to help the thousands caught in the destruction caused by Zod. What does he do? Get into a fight with Zod, destroy more shit and generally not be shown to give a crap about collateral damage or civilian lives, except for that one family he saved by killing Zod.

 

Basically Cap probably cares about collateral damage (hence why he made sure to warn everyone in the building first) but has no ability to stop it. Supes has the ability to stop it but just doesn't give a shit.

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Anytime you can use the term Mewling Quim, I'm all game.

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First of all, Cap can't fly, doesn't have super strength comparable to Supes and has absolutely no ability to control where the helicarriers crash. Also, he's been beaten/shot to shit by the Winter Soldier so there's not much he can do to help. Supes had every opportunity and ability to help the thousands caught in the destruction caused by Zod. What does he do? Get into a fight with Zod, destroy more shit and generally not be shown to give a crap about collateral damage or civilian lives, except for that one family he saved by killing Zod.

 

Basically Cap probably cares about collateral damage (hence why he made sure to warn everyone in the building first) but has no ability to stop it. Supes has the ability to stop it but just doesn't give a shit.

 

Except you could argue that Zod wreaked total devastation on Metropolis and Superman just reacted, but

Cap made the decision to turn DC into a war zone.

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Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Captain America are entertaining?

 

Yes, I also thought Thor 2 was better than the first.

 

Bring It On

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Yes, I also thought Thor 2 was better than the first.

 

Bring It On

I thought you had good taste in film. 

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Except you could argue that Zod wreaked total devastation on Metropolis and Superman just reacted, but

Cap made the decision to turn DC into a war zone.

So are you saying he should've allowed the helicarriers to shoot everyone? Cap was reacting too, to HYDRA's plan using the helicarriers. There was nowhere else he could've possibly have stopped them from.And it doesn't matter if Supes didn't cause the initial damage, the reason that scene fails is because he does absolutely nothing about it. He doesn't try to help any of the people trapped or injured and just smashes more stuff instead. Even if he was trying to take out Zod first, he could've at least put in the effort.

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Tele havent you learned something from all the derailing, we are like little kids we want what we can't have. The hijacking of another thread is what drives these battles and what starts them. 

:lol: 

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I thought you had good taste in film. 

 

I can watch Thor 2 and be entertained. It's not a great movie (Winter Soldier blows it out of the water), but it sucks me in.

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Haha. Except now, if I see it happening -- spit spot! -- the posts magically end up here. :ph34r:

 

The old man's alter ego:

 

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The secret, rukaio, is that

I kinda agree with you. Not to the extent of that MOS scene causing me to hate the movie or total rage or anything, but it was an obvious area to emphasize either Supes' doomed empathy or the realization (either later or during) that he was somewhat culpable and that he has a far greater responsibility to humanity than merely beating the shit out of someone.

 

:ph34r:

 

At the same time, I was mildly surprised there wasn't even a shocked or worried reaction shot from Cap about what was happening/about to happen.

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At the same time, I was mildly surprised there wasn't even a shocked or worried reaction shot from Cap about what was happening/about to happen.

I guess that's kinda understandable but, to be fair, much of the debris probably obscured his view as to where the helicarrier was crashing and he had to deal with Bucky, so he didn't exactly have time to look worried. Not to mention, he was half-dying at the time. It's not like Supes who, not only got a good look at the wrecked city, but also spent the next few minutes punching Zod into the few bits of it still standing.

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How about we list our opinions first? I don't think we've ever done that.

 

Marvel:

 

IM1 - Great

IM2 - Shit

IM3 - Below Average

Thor - Average

Thor 2 - Haven't seen it

Captain America - Below Average

Captain America 2 - Average

The Avengers - Average

 

DC:

 

Green Lantern - Haven't seen it(but everyone says its embarrassing shit so I'll go with that).

Batman Begins - Above Average

The Dark Knight - Masterpiece

The Dark Knight Rises - Average

Man of Steel - Shit

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