Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Neo

Terminator Genisys | July 1, 2015 | Crosses 400M WW, overtakes Fury Road | GB returns, Page 379!

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For me Woo haven´t done that many good movies.. face/off and MI2 were okey but i want a director with more edge.They need some new thinking in this franchise and i don´t think he´s the one.NWR could also do it. Wouldént be the first time that a new director has been handed a 200-250 mill movie

Do you mean Refn? He has directed before. You are right there are some new directors with big budgets. Stromberg comes to mind with Maleficent should be 150M+ How about Jonathan Nolan?

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I think John Woo would be perfect. Broken Arrow, Face/off, and Mission Impossible 2 are easily some of my favorite action movies. Woo has a very unique and effective style that works very well. Besides, what the hell happened to him? He doesn't seem to have disappeared.

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Do you mean Refn? He has directed before. You are right there are some new directors with big budgets. Stromberg comes to mind with Maleficent should be 150M+ How about Jonathan Nolan?

Yes him... He could do the job well i think..Im not sure about J Nolan.. I dont think he's ever dona a movie without his brother.. But maybe its time?!He certainly have seen it all

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With a possible Interstellar with Spielberg and working for many years with his brother he might do a good job, but we need better than good.

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Agree... We deserve T2 standart...Budget could be 250 mill for this...

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Terry Gilliam only made one good movie IMO and thats 12 monkeys....

I wholeheartedly disagree with that (loved Brazil and Fear & Loathing) but still, it's puzzling how different 12 Monkeys was from pretty much all his other works, stylistically, plot - wise and all.As for the T5 director, I'd like to see Danny Boyle try his hand at it or maybe David Twohy (though his only truly good movie so far was Pitch Black)

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Is this still happening?

Yes it is and with Arnold. I think this will be much better, Wisher wrote a 25 page treatment + Will be Rated R. Not sure how much of Wisher's script will stay.

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Agree... We deserve T2 standart...Budget could be 250 mill for this...

Doubt it. The terminator franchise has been a big money loser for the last 2 installments hence why the rights keep shifting. Terminator 3 was made with 200M with arnold commanding a 30M pay check. Arnold not being in a position of power this time around the movie could be made with 150M budget.

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I think you're wrong.. T3 was made when people was tired of Arnold...This has Comeback written all over it... He's popular again hollywood wise...OS is booming and this will minimum do 400 mill there...This will have a budet of 200 mill minimum.. 250 mill is more likely..

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My Dreamcast:

Jim SturgessTaylor Kitsch – John Connor

Linda Hamilton – Sarah Connor

Michael Bien – Kyle Reese

Antje Traue Jennifer Lawrence – John Connor’s love interest

Willem Dafoe Idris Elba – Commanding officer of the Resistance

Djimon Hounsou Guy Pearce – 2nd in charge

Mads Mikkelsen/Rinko Kikuchi/ Nikolaj Coster-Waldau – Resistance members

Milla Jovovich – T-X

Charlize Theorn – T1001

Bryan Cranston – Scientist

New Terminators introduced – T-Infinity

Edited by Neo

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It's a good thing you're notin charge of making decisions, because that's just a poutpourri of mistakes:- Casting Connor and Brewster to be younger than they were in T3 when T5 would take place post-2019- Retconning Sarah Connor's death for no reason- Using Michael Biehn, 28 years older, to play Kyle Reese at the same age he was in The Terminator (if not younger)- Throwing in random "hot" actresses to play various models shapeshifting Terminators, roles that would be a waste of anyone with strong acting ability (aka Charlize)- Throwing in random actors to play generic roles that would in essence retcon the events of Terminator Salvation (which ended with Connor assuming Resistance leadership).

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I think John Woo would be perfect. Broken Arrow, Face/off, and Mission Impossible 2 are easily some of my favorite action movies. Woo has a very unique and effective style that works very well. Besides, what the hell happened to him? He doesn't seem to have disappeared.

God NO! The man has a good eye for action, but his form of melodrama I can do without in this franchise.

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God NO! The man has a good eye for action, but his form of melodrama I can do without in this franchise.

I think his style of drama is very good actually and he is amazing at doing good villains. Besides... drama was the main T3, and especially T4 lacked.

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I think his style of drama is very good actually and he is amazing at doing good villains. Besides... drama was the main T3, and especially T4 lacked.

I think Woo can do good drama...but when it comes to his American films, barring Face/Off, it's been nothing but pure cheese. I like his HK and Chinese stuff much better.Admittedly, T3 and Salvation aren't exactly good drama...but I'm asking for better than that. Edited by kowhite

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It's a good thing you're notin charge of making decisions, because that's just a poutpourri of mistakes:

- Casting Connor and Brewster to be younger than they were in T3 when T5 would take place post-2019

- Retconning Sarah Connor's death for no reason

- Using Michael Biehn, 28 years older, to play Kyle Reese at the same age he was in The Terminator (if not younger)

- Throwing in random "hot" actresses to play various models shapeshifting Terminators, roles that would be a waste of anyone with strong acting ability (aka Charlize)

- Throwing in random actors to play generic roles that would in essence retcon the events of Terminator Salvation (which ended with Connor assuming Resistance leadership).

I said DREAMCAST. Who said Brewster will be in the film, the movies are known for time travel, so any scenario is possible. Did I ever say girlfriend is Brewster??? Well Biehn was mentioned before as coming back, to what capacity I don't know. Thats why I said DREAMCAST. Could be a 200M+, big tentpole A++ director, so a hot actress is not of the question.

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And your dreams clearly don't match the reality of the series.

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I wish we would have gotten a truly great, intense future war movie, Salvation was passable and in some aspects better than the "parody" T3 but still a far cry from what i consider a great Terminator film.As much as i like Ahnuld, i fear he's becoming more of a crutch than an asset now. He was a great terminator but he's too old now and playing a human character... i dunno... let's face it, he's not a good actor.

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