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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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New spoiler policy that pertains to a movie in its first two weeks

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Just now, Brainbug said:

General opinions abput a movie are still allowed or? So something like "X was very good. Coud have used a better pacing though" is ok?

No, that's not allowed it seems. You can talk about a year old trailer, stupid off topic things, and numbers...that's it.

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I think you should still allow spoilers in spoiler tags in the main thread for a movie in the box office sub forum. The big no-no should be the weekend thread and the classic conversation thread. 

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3 hours ago, Bishop54 said:

I'm a little concerned here. So if I'm interested in some aspect of a film before I see it I have to go to the RTM thread and be totally spoiled? Because there you don't have to use spoiler tags. This wasn't really that we'll thought out. 

 

I'm confused at your confusion.  You're over thinking this.

 

You do realize that when a spoiler tag is used, its because there is a detail of the plot, right?

 

Spoiler

Darth Vader is Luke's father.

 

This is a massive spoiler.  This is the kind of thing that you can't put spoiler tags on in the first week.  So if you want to be spoiled, go to the RTM.  We are just shifting all tagged spoilers to the RTM.  

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3 hours ago, Brainbug said:

General opinions abput a movie are still allowed or? So something like "X was very good. Coud have used a better pacing though" is ok?

 

Of course.....general opinions that do not discuss the plot are allowed.  Nothing has changed except you can no longer, for the first week, discuss the plot of a film THAT YOU HAVE SEEN in any thread except for the RTM.  Spoilers have no place here.  

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So why have individual threads in the first place? Might as well lock them up upon release date since nothing can be discussed in them once the release date hits. 

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3 hours ago, DeeCee said:

I think you should still allow spoilers in spoiler tags in the main thread for a movie in the box office sub forum. The big no-no should be the weekend thread and the classic conversation thread. 

 

For the time being, we're eliminating this option.  Too many times, films have been spoiled accidentally so now we are eliminating all potential threats. 

 

There really isn't anything that has changed here except where you can discuss the points of the movie after you have seen it.

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3 hours ago, Bishop54 said:

So why have individual threads in the first place? Might as well lock them up upon release date since nothing can be discussed in them once the release date hits. 

 

You're being obtuse.

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2 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

You're being obtuse.

 

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2 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

You're being obtuse.

I'm not the one messing with things that aren't broken. But whatevs.

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You can still tell us how you feel about a movie.

 

"Rogue One was awesome.  It continues the story beautifully and it ties everything together.  The effects were awesome and Forrest Whitaker hammed it up beautifully.  I'd see it again.  9/10"  

This is perfectly acceptable.

 

Spoiler

"Rogue one made me cry.  Every character dies.  And then when Vader comes in and draws his sabre and kicks the shit out of everyone....epic."

Not allowed for the first week.  

 

Pretty simple.

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I will say, if somebody says SPOILERS for x Movie and tags the spoiler, then it's nobody but your own fault for getting spoiled and you shouldn't get mad at them.

 

It feels like those dresscode policies I'd have at Summer Church Camps when I was a kid/teenager where they said, "You HAVE To wear jeans and shirts that cover the shoulders, that way the boys won't even be tempted to be lustful!"

 

But even then, it's the new rule and I'll follow it and won't complain about it past this, even if it does feel a little silly and redundant.

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3 hours ago, Bishop54 said:

I'm not the one messing with things that aren't broken. But whatevs.

 

You're also not a moderator or an admin of the site.  

 

And it isn't broken but it's showing signs of cracks.  So we are fixing it before it needs a full makeover.

 

I honestly don't see why this is a problem.  This makes things easier for everyone.

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3 hours ago, Beauty and The Panda said:

I will say, if somebody says SPOILERS for x Movie and tags the spoiler, then it's nobody but your own fault for getting spoiled and you shouldn't get mad at them.

 

It feels like those dresscode policies I'd have at Summer Church Camps when I was a kid/teenager where they said, "You HAVE To wear jeans and shirts that cover the shoulders, that way the boys won't even be tempted to be lustful!"

 

But even then, it's the new rule and I'll follow it and won't complain about it past this, even if it does feel a little silly and redundant.

 

Part of the problem is when people put things in spoilers, and then other people comment on them.  They don't give it away, but you can put two and two together.  

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Damn I'm just hoping I don't slip up :lol:

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3 hours ago, DAJK said:

Damn I'm just hoping I don't slip up :lol:

 

And this makes it easier not to slip up.:redcapes:

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So I'm okay with the policy, but how far does it extend? I understand you can't post specific details. I wouldn't do that anyway. But can I say "I thought Logan fell apart in the third act" or "The ending of X really got to me?" General, very non-specific things that pertain to larger things?

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3 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:

So I'm okay with the policy, but how far does it extend? I understand you can't post specific details. I wouldn't do that anyway. But can I say "I thought Logan fell apart in the third act" or "The ending of X really got to me?" General, very non-specific things that pertain to larger things?

 

As long as they are not specific to the plot.  If you were to say that end of Logan made you tear up....well.....that's not a spoiler but it kind of is.  

 

Saying a film falls apart in the third act is not a spoiler.....that's your opinion.  That's fine.

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Is it true that tapatalk doesn't block out spoilers? If so, only an idiot would use it if you care about spoilers. 

 

When you say a spoiler is "accidentally" revealed do you mean someone clicks on something that is spoiler tagged and is then spoilt. Once again that person is an idiot and I have zero sympathy for them. 

 

Is this giving up all semblance of the notion that the RTM is primarily for reviewing films?

 

 

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We should ban all spoilers from predominately spoiler majority countries. 

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9 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

Part of the problem is when people put things in spoilers, and then other people comment on them.  They don't give it away, but you can put two and two together.  

 

I think as long as spoiler tags are enforced for responses, and you keep it in its main thread, it should be okay.  It's not a huge deal, it's just the ever-changing spoiler policies make it hard to remember what's okay to say and where you can say it.  I've been able to stay unspoiled for films I cared about staying unspoiled for me here, even when I saw them later into their runs. 

 

This rule isn't a huge deal btw, not worth starting a riot about or anything.  I'm just not entirely sure how it'll help anything.  The people who (in general) complain about getting spoiled are the ones that click the tags and wander into the spoiler threads anyways.  I thought we had a pretty strict spoiler policy as is.

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