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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Weekend Numbers | 19.4 M FATE OF THE FURIOUS | 12 M HOW TO BE LATIN LOVER | 10.1 M BAAHUBALI II | 9.3 M THE CIRCLE

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Good weekend overall - some strong Saturdays and Sunday is very reasonable for most films.

 

Everything gets semi-killed next weekend, however with only 1 new film - big as it may be there will be some wiggle room for good holds.

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I hope BatB doesn't drop with actuals again. That movie has done and is still doing great but boy the obstacles it has to overcome! OS fight to stay ahead of F8 and maybe pass Frozen. Domestic fight to hit 500M. It's quite a rollercoaster. 

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4 hours ago, Jonwo said:

I'm fascinated by the Indian film industry and box office because considering it has a similar population to China but yet it's not an important market. I wonder if it's do with prices being much cheaper or is it other factors?

 

The level of income is vastly different (income per capita in China is almost 300% what it is in India, by household almost double), also in China spend a lot of their income in tickets, in that is a part why the china box office grow stopped immediately when the China economy stopped to explode, there was not much room to grow in term of popularity, it will grow again only if wage goes up significantly.

 

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1 hour ago, trifle said:

 

I hadn't realized theaters had removed their projectors entirely. I hope that isn't true in the US, since Aronofsky shot mother! almost entirely in 35mm.

 

It is mostly in 16mm like Black Swan I think.

 

The world is now mostly digital (95% of the world screen were digital in 2016 according to the MPAA vs 93% in 2015).

 

US/Canada had 872 screens that were still analog in 2016 according to the MPAA (on a 43531 screen total), 1481 in Europe, 6506 in Asia. Almost 9000 analog screen around the world.

 

Big movies still had a good expense in prints in 2014, Amazing Spider-man 2 spent almost 30 million on movies prints.

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Wow great to see a foreign film getting in top 3! 

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Yeah, markets will grow in BO potential if their actual economies grow.

 

You aren't going to buy as many movie tickets if you don't have any money.

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1 hour ago, Valonqar said:

I hope BatB doesn't drop with actuals again. That movie has done and is still doing great but boy the obstacles it has to overcome! OS fight to stay ahead of F8 and maybe pass Frozen. Domestic fight to hit 500M. It's quite a rollercoaster. 

 

I doubt it'll drop. Disney is estimating a steeper Sunday drop (-48.3%) than the rest of the top 10, unlike the previous weekends.  In fact I think it could rise with actual.  

 

Amazing to see a movie from India up there.  I asked a friend what she knew about it and she laughed that she never even heard of it.  But she's from Delhi so I guess the audience is very regional based.

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I love how boxofficepro references us in their weekend Boxoffice summary

http://pro.boxoffice.com/studio-weekend-estimates-fate-furious-crosses-1b-globally-leads-third-weekend-w-19-3m-baahubali-2-conclusion-posts-largest-u-s-bollywood-debu/

"To put that into perspective, the highest that any user predicted for the title on the prediction website Box Office Theory was $7.9 million"

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Just now, lilmac said:

I love how boxofficepro references us in their weekend Boxoffice summary

http://pro.boxoffice.com/studio-weekend-estimates-fate-furious-crosses-1b-globally-leads-third-weekend-w-19-3m-baahubali-2-conclusion-posts-largest-u-s-bollywood-debu/

"To put that into perspective, the highest that any user predicted for the title on the prediction website Box Office Theory was $7.9 million"

I remember when they referenced my Split prediction :cloud9: 

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2 hours ago, trifle said:

 

I hadn't realized theaters had removed their projectors entirely. I hope that isn't true in the US, since Aronofsky shot mother! almost entirely in 35mm.

 

2 hours ago, Water Bottle said:

 

It is not true in the US.

 

Some theaters (usually premium ones) have kept their film projection systems but most have ditched them entirely and switched over to DCPs only.

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6 hours ago, Tele Came Back said:

 

I think this is a good example of how the PG rating has been so neglected its meaning has been corrupted and altered. A PG doesn't imply anything other than there's not a lot of inappropriate content. HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER is PG. THE RIGHT STUFF is PG. Neither of those were "aimed at a family audience". But nowadays since everything is PG-13 the assumption is that PG should just be for kiddies. 

 

5 hours ago, That One Guy said:

 

PG's reputation as being only "for families" is really starting to piss me off.

 

Hidden Figures is a recent PG rated film that wasn't a "kids' movie" per se, sure there could have been more language or racial epithets and not been untrue to life either but the latter would have undercut the movie's point about how prejudice can be more covert. There is more than one approach to Civil Rights on Film than Mississippi Burning.

 

In the 2000s, The Rookie was actually rated G, it was surprising they didn't throw in one "damn" or something bump it up to a PG for mild language.

 

 

4 hours ago, grim22 said:

Wow, just got a TV spot for The Circle which quotes a lot of publications - but not reviews. Instead it is "Watch the movie Rolling Stone calls one of the most anticipated of the year"

 

2 hours ago, TalismanRing said:

 

They almost all did - that's the joke.  This isn't an ad for reviews but for the once upon a time when these mags and papers were anticipating it might be good - you know - before they actually watched it. :lol:

It isn't technically a lie, the movie did make a bunch of lists about spring movies, still I applaud the hustle of STX with that ad, you do what you gotta do when the studio asks you to sell a lemon. I was wondering why the ads for The Circle were so lifeless, plenty of so-so movies have managed to have good trailers, then I saw it. The final push in the last two weeks or so tried making it seem like a 2010s version of The Net, if it had been sold that way from Trailer #1, it may have gotten a mid-teens opening but an even worse Cinemascore I suspect. Is there an F-? :lol:

 

The Net for the uninitiated:

 

 

 

Unless The Circle comes in WAY over estimates, The Net had a higher opening weekend in 1995!

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Posted (edited)

17 minutes ago, Tele Came Back said:

 

 

Some theaters (usually premium ones) have kept their film projection systems but most have ditched them entirely and switched over to DCPs only.

 

There's only two theaters with 35mm projectors right now in Barcelona, and indeed they sell a premium experience/film buff nostalgia. One of them is doing really well, to be frank, and it's my favorite place to watch movies. Seeing Mad Max Fury Road there was an absolute treat.

 

DCP is just too practical. The recession was bad enough in Spain, and many theaters closed doors, but I can't imagine what would have happened if distributors/theaters also had to shoulder the costs of producing and operating prints. The recession probably accelerated the move to digital in order to reduce operating costs.

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Posted (edited)

6 hours ago, Jonwo said:

I'm fascinated by the Indian film industry and box office because considering it has a similar population to China but yet it's not an important market. I wonder if it's do with prices being much cheaper or is it other factors?

 

1. China is on a wholly different economic level compared to India. Chinese GDP is at almost $12T, while India's is at a bit less than $2.5T. On a per capita basis, China is at $8100 (2016) while India is at less than a fourth than that, at $1700. 

 

2. India has its own long-established film industry and its audiences are largely content with their local production, they are less receptive to Hollywood movies than the Chinese. 

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So, Power Rangers finally had a sub-50 drop... in its sixth weekend... almost certainly its last weekend in wide release. So it has short legs, but big feet.

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I remember when they referenced my Split prediction :cloud9: 


Nice. When was that?

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Just now, lilmac said:

 


Nice. When was that?

 

Back on its OW

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1 hour ago, Tele Came Back said:

 

 

Some theaters (usually premium ones) have kept their film projection systems but most have ditched them entirely and switched over to DCPs only.

 

Have you ever been to the Cinerama in Seattle? 

 

My favorite cinema experience in the US and they are digital I think.

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2 hours ago, Barnack said:

 

It is mostly in 16mm like Black Swan I think.

 

 

You are right.  I just looked it up. But it is still film, so it will need projectors.

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