Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Alien: Covenant (2017)

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1 minute ago, Mulder said:

Iirc he was more upset because he wasn't put in charge in the first place. Oram's meant to be a smart but faithful man and yet he just looks like a moron. 


I thought he didn't want to be in charge? It seemed like he didn't think he could do it because of his faith (which was never brought up again - Thanks Ridley) and his wife convinced him that he could do it. From there on out, the character acts dumb. Daniels and Tennessee seemed to have the clearest heads.

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Just now, somebody85 said:


I thought he didn't want to be in charge? It seemed like he didn't think he could do it because of his faith (which was never brought up again - Thanks Ridley) and his wife convinced him that he could do it. From there on out, the character acts dumb. Daniels and Tennessee seemed to have the clearest heads.

If I remember correctly the line went that he was mad because he thought the company didn't trust him to be clear headed enough to be in charge because of his faith. Also would agree that Daniels and Tennessee were the smartest though only Oram had plot breaking stupidity problems. Tbh I almost never complain about character stupidity because people expect way too much from humans but Oram was just too unbelievable for me personally.

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1 hour ago, Mulder said:

If I remember correctly the line went that he was mad because he thought the company didn't trust him to be clear headed enough to be in charge because of his faith. Also would agree that Daniels and Tennessee were the smartest though only Oram had plot breaking stupidity problems. Tbh I almost never complain about character stupidity because people expect way too much from humans but Oram was just too unbelievable for me personally.


Yeah I can't remember that first exchange between Chris and his wife because it happens so fast in the beginning and I've seen multiple films since including 4 POTC movies lol. But from what I remember, he was introduced as being unconfident, indecisive and kind of bumbling. He reminded me a bit of the Lieutenant who is way in over his head in Aliens which Ripley see's.

But I agree his character was easily the dumbest one in the movie. Still I don't think he acted as stupid as the scientist in Prometheus who encourages the frightening looking worm to come closer to him to pet it. Right before he touches it, I believe it opens up showing it's not friendly...but he still thinks it's peaceful. I thought this was at least a step up from that stupidity lol.

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Just now, somebody85 said:


Yeah I can't remember that first exchange between Chris and his wife because it happens so fast in the beginning and I've seen multiple films since including 4 POTC movies lol. But from what I remember, he was introduced as being unconfident, indecisive and kind of bumbling. He reminded me a bit of the Lieutenant who is way in over his head in Aliens which Ripley see's.

But I agree his character was easily the dumbest one in the movie. Still I don't think he acted as stupid as the scientist in Prometheus who encourages the frightening looking worm to come closer to him to pet it. Right before he touches it, I believe it opens it's mouth showing it's not friendly...but he pays it no regards. I thought this was at least a step up from that stupidity lol.

I'd say it's just as stupid though tbh this all could've been avoided if Covenant didn't have any prometheus elements at all. Like I said earlier in the thread, the base plot of a colony ship having to survive Xenos is a cool idea but the prometheus elements bog it down so much.

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27 minutes ago, Mulder said:

I'd say it's just as stupid though tbh this all could've been avoided if Covenant didn't have any prometheus elements at all. Like I said earlier in the thread, the base plot of a colony ship having to survive Xenos is a cool idea but the prometheus elements bog it down so much.


Now this I completely agree with. I would have liked to see this movie as being one or the other. I think the main reasons audiences are disappointed was because marketing sold this movie as something that it wasn't. From those trailers you expect to see a lot of tense scenes of Aliens attacking a crew aboard a ship...and when that set piece finally does happen, it feels tacked on and has none of what made Alien so special.

The ships not dirty, the lights aren't blaring and it happens so fast. They completely failed to recapture the atmosphere.

Instead the movie tries to have it all and ended up letting down a lot of people in the process. I like the AI element of it because I find AI stuff fascinating but the movie would have been stronger with David only being there in brief flashbacks.  Like they could have still shown what happened to David and Shaw and moved on and spent the rest of the movie on the colony crew being hunted by the nenomorphs and xenomorphs. They could have came up with a completely different idea for creating the xenomorph that did not involve David since this is the Engineers planet and anything goes because we don't know a lot about them. They didn't even have to explain why they were on that planet since we already know the Engineers have encountered something like that creature from the murals on the ships walls in Prometheus.

The rescue signal could have came a different way or just been a glitch before Shaw died.
 

I think that's what people expected from the trailers....and Covenant isn't it.

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5 minutes ago, somebody85 said:


Now this I completely agree with. I would have liked to see this movie as being one or the other. I think the main reasons audiences are disappointed was because marketing sold this movie as something that it wasn't. From those trailers you expect to see a lot of tense scenes of Aliens attacking a crew aboard a ship...and when that set piece finally does happen, it feels tacked on and has none of what made Alien so special.

The ships not dirty, the lights aren't blaring and it happens so fast. They completely failed to recapture the atmosphere.

Instead the movie tries to have it all and ended up letting down a lot of people in the process. I like the AI element of it because I find AI stuff fascinating but the movie would have been stronger with David only being there in brief flashbacks.  Like they could have still shown what happened to David and Shaw and moved on and spent the rest of the movie on the crew being hunted by the nenomorphs and xenomorphs. They could have came up with a completely different idea for creating the xenomorph that did not involve David since this is the Engineers planet and anything goes because we don't know a lot about them.
 

I think that's what people expected from the trailers....and this movie isn't it.

I agree with this entire post. The AI stuff is great but more suited for Blade Runner I feel like.

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1 minute ago, Mulder said:

I agree with this entire post. The AI stuff is great but more suited for Blade Runner I feel like.


I've heard rumors that Ridley Scott wants to try to tie the two universes together by connecting the replicants with the androids....which I truly hope doesn't happen. At this point I'm hoping he had very little to do with Blade Runner: 2049.

I wanted that Alien thriller too and I'm sure a lot of other audiences did. The only reason I liked it slightly more then others was because I enjoyed the AI stuff. I thought the actual xenomorph part was by far the weakest aspect of the movie and that should never happen in an Alien movie (it even used the same font of the original). It felt like it was added in a the last minute because FOX got involved with the franchise again and said "we don't care what movie you make as long as you find a way to bring the xenomorph back because that's what sells"

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2 minutes ago, somebody85 said:


I've heard rumors that Ridley Scott wants to try to tie the two universes together by connecting the replicants with the androids....which I truly hope doesn't happen. At this point I'm hoping he had very little to do with Blade Runner: 2049.

I wanted that Alien thriller too and I'm sure a lot of other audiences did. The only reason I liked it slightly more then others was because I enjoyed the AI stuff. I thought the actual xenomorph part was by far the weakest aspect of the movie and that should never happen in an Alien movie (it even used the same font of the original). It felt like it was added in a the last minute because FOX got involved with the franchise again and said "we don't care what movie you make as long as you find a way to bring the xenomorph back because that's what sells"

I'd agree. Felt so unneeded once the Neomorphs died.

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