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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Weekend Actuals: 36.2 M ALIEN: COVENANT | 34.7 M GOTG II | 11.7 M EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING

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I didn't actually pick it for the top 15 of the summer...so under $100M for its run would work for me:)...but it's gotta beat GOTG for the weekend, so I can win that club 1st.  So many conflicted emotions for this OW!:)

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King Arthur is over-performing.

Can't resist that Guy Ritchie-Charlie Hunnam combo.

 

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3 hours ago, baumer said:

I will 100% guarantee you that Guardians of the Galaxy does way more than 30 million.

 

Considering how GOTF Vol 2 is more of a feel good type of movie families can get onboard for, I'd be very surprised if this R-Rated Sci-Fi/Horror movie beat it this weekend..

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Just now, PRESIDENT BKB said:

 

Considering how GOTF Vol 2 is more of a feel good type of movie families can get onboard for, I'd be very surprised if this R-Rated Sci-Fi/Horror movie beat it this weekend..

 

Alien is going to be number one easily BKB

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Opening in Mad Max range would be pretty damn solid for Alien, especially with what felt like a far less effective ad campaign than the one Prometheus got five years ago.

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I predicted $40M for Alien (Prometheus was one of the more divisive movies of the last several years and this series has never been that big in the first place) so anything above that is great in my book.

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3 minutes ago, baumer said:

 

Alien is going to be number one easily BKB

 

Have to admit, I am surprised by this.. ;)

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4 hours ago, The Futurist said:

 

Hey, scale wise Covenant is not that big.

 

 

@Tele Came Back

 

Just came back from Alien: Covenant and I must say that I thought it was pretty big. It's special effects are excellent and the sets and scenery are outstanding. 

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Alien debuts in the mid 40's is quite solid.

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No clue how right (or wrong) I'll be but looking at ticket sales at a few theatre's, I'm going to have another go at it and say

 

Wimpy Kid - $2.79M friday

Everything Everything - $4.07M friday

Alien Covenant - $16.83M fridayFriday

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23 minutes ago, filmlover said:

I predicted $40M for Alien (Prometheus was one of the more divisive movies of the last several years and this series has never been that big in the first place) so anything above that is great in my book.

 

Actually, the original was in fact quite massive. It would adjust to $273M in today's money and was number 6 for 1979 (all domestic) I also have to note that very little separated the 6th movie from 2nd one (The Amityville Horror) during that year. 

 

Also, Aliens, was number 7 for 1986 and would adjust to around $200M today. 

 

So, yeah, I would say that the first two were pretty massive. 

 

Another thing. I just googled: "film in 1979" as well as "film in 1986" and in the first instance Alien was the first one to pop, and in the latter Aliens was the one. I'm not saying this is definitive, because maybe Google adjusts its results according to my search history, but there can be no denying the financial success and massive cultural impact of the first two installments. That's why we keep coming back to it after several underwhelming efforts. 

 

Edit: Also keep in mind that the North American population was almost one third less than what it is right now. 

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15 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

@Tele Came Back

 

Just came back from Alien: Covenant and I must say that I thought it was pretty big. It's special effects are excellent and the sets and scenery are outstanding. 

 

Yep. The sheer rock faces around Milford Sound are roughly 1200M+ high. Very impressive area.

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4 hours ago, CaptainJackSparrow said:

Actually, Cameron now likes the first AVP, as do I.

 

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/22405

I always liked the first AvP. The Saana Latham character should've been the Ripley of an AvP trilogy imo but AvP:Requiem had no carryover sadly, it was a sequel in name only. 

 

I feel A:C can still manage $40-$43m, enough to beat GotGv2 but I'm not confident. The crowd that relies on RT might balk at it's 67% and test any loyalty they had to the franchise. 

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I don't know how I feel about Alien Covenant. Was it bad? No. Did it expand the universe and tie up loose ends? Yes. But did it properly satisfy my xeno murder spree craving? I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to sit on it.

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21 minutes ago, Captain Craig said:

I always liked the first AvP. The Saana Latham character should've been the Ripley of an AvP trilogy imo but AvP:Requiem had no carryover sadly, it was a sequel in name only. 

 

I feel A:C can still manage $40-$43m, enough to beat GotGv2 but I'm not confident. The crowd that relies on RT might balk at it's 67% and test any loyalty they had to the franchise. 

It's now at 66%.

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After seeing Covenant... Yeah it's not going to have good legs.

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Wow, Snatched absolutely collapsed at my theater. The showing that just started only sold 16 seats.

Alien is selling great for its remaining two shows tonight.

Everything, Everything has picked up a lot from earlier; the showing in an hour is nearly sold out.

GOTG and Wimpy Kid are selling about equal to each other.

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Yea Alien and Aliens were huge. Both finished top ten of their respective years.

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1 hour ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

Actually, the original was in fact quite massive. It would adjust to $273M in today's money and was number 6 for 1979 (all domestic) I also have to note that very little separated the 6th movie from 2nd one (The Amityville Horror) during that year. 

 

Also, Aliens, was number 7 for 1986 and would adjust to around $200M today. 

 

So, yeah, I would say that the first two were pretty massive. 

 

Another thing. I just googled: "film in 1979" as well as "film in 1986" and in the first instance Alien was the first one to pop, and in the latter Aliens was the one. I'm not saying this is definitive, because maybe Google adjusts its results according to my search history, but there can be no denying the financial success and massive cultural impact of the first two installments. That's why we keep coming back to it after several underwhelming efforts. 

 

Edit: Also keep in mind that the North American population was almost one third less than what it is right now. 

 

Sorry but he's right. Alien really isn't that big today, its just well known. 200m adjusted is not what i'd consider 'massive', they were big and well remembered but they werent big enough to gurantee huge hits still to this day, its no wonder prometheus was bigger than covenant, the story and trailers were more accessible to non fans 

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