Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales | May 26, 2017 | It's better than "On Stranger Tides", I guess

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OS box office doesn't count? WTF?

"studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number." Edward Jay Epstein- The Hollywood Economist

Domestic revenue just counts for a lot more than overseas revenue, says David Mumpower with Box Office Prophets

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"studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number." Edward Jay Epstein- The Hollywood Economist

Domestic revenue just counts for a lot more than overseas revenue, says David Mumpower with Box Office Prophets

They do, not only because of the higher returns from the theatrical receipts, but because of the higher conversion rates into home video relative to box office.

That being said...international hardly doesn't count. Pirates 4 still made a lot of money, and international box office is the primary thing to thank for that. Certainly the international box office warrants a look at making this sequel, as there's still lots of money to be made. Certainly a dollar made at the domestic box office is worth a lot more to the studio than a dollar made at the international box office, but when international box office is 4 times that of the domestic box, well, in that case international does in fact become more important than domestic.

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I have a hard time believing international box office doesn't count at all. Otherwise many movies considered hits would then be flops. Casino Royale for instance, or 2012 (Emmerich already has another big budget film being financed by the same studio so obviously Sony must have been pleased with the results)

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The only reason MI4 was made was because of how well MI3 did OS. It certainly wasn't because of its DOM numbers.

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I have a hard time believing international box office doesn't count at all. Otherwise many movies considered hits would then be flops. Casino Royale for instance, or 2012 (Emmerich already has another big budget film being financed by the same studio so obviously Sony must have been pleased with the results)

It definitely counts. It's just that a dollar at the domestic box office is more valuable than one at the foreign box office.That being said, it's never that simple. If you're movie does gangbusters at the foreign box office in say, Great Britain, that's every bit as good as getting it n the states. The revenue sharing is high, the conversion rates to video are good. If you're making gangbusters at the box office in say Russia, or China, then the story is completely different. Now you're getting like 15 cents on the dollar, and converting jack squat when it comes to home video.So yes, international absolutely, definitely does count.

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Another thing to add is the Tariffs some countries have that tax movie revenue.Like Cult says Overseas does count but not as much as DOM. And when I say not as much I don't mean a slight 1-10% difference closer to half because of all the complications such as Currency,Tariffs, and foreign distributorsIF a movie makes 700M OS yes it benefits for sure your easily looking at 200M profit pending on the case however the same profit could be made with a 400M gross here in the states.I guarantee if you ask a studio Executive if they would rather a movie open to 100M and gross 300 here in the states and then only go on to gross 150M OS for a total of 450M vs open to 50M gross 150M and then gross 300M OS for a total of 450M they would undoubtedly pick the first.Studios are also using the new OS grosses as publicity much like they do with opening to number 1 or breaking opening holiday records. Look our movie grossed a billion worldwide.They don't tell the public that it didn't count for AS much just like they don't state the ticket price inflation, or 3D IMAX sales when considering a record.

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They paid him 50 for the last one

Naa, he didn't get that much...at least, not upfront.If you mean overall, including the backend...then 50 is not enough.

With the amount of money Pirates 4 made, I think Depp would prefer a percentage deal. Even 10% of WW gross would mean 100M+

I think you can take it to the bank that Depp would prefer he gets a huge upfront salaray PLUS a percentage. I mean, that's what he got on P4, and 3, and 2. Why settle for any less.

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Naa, he didn't get that much...at least, not upfront.If you mean overall, including the backend...then 50 is not enough.I think you can take it to the bank that Depp would prefer he gets a huge upfront salaray PLUS a percentage.I mean, that's what he got on P4, and 3, and 2. Why settle for any less.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/bio55.5Mhttp://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_15729.html50-75Mhttp://www.slashfilm.com/johnny-depp-to-earn-56-million-for-pirates-4/56M

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Well, what can I say, I think they're wrong. All of those links.But the bottom line is Depp gets paid gobs of cash, so I won't debate the issue.

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Well, what can I say, I think they're wrong. All of those links.But the bottom line is Depp gets paid gobs of cash, so I won't debate the issue.

Understandable. None of those sources have much of a backbone. The only support i have is mutiple sources state simular numbers.

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This will happen, just give it a break of 3 years to let Jacky comes with the gang

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POTC51.5b+ WW

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Where is the news? Should be coming out in 2014, maybe?

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I hope never if the plan is indeed to bring back Borelando.

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Bruckheimer says there is a script, but he thought it wasn't good enough.

They never cared about the quality of the scripts for the previous films... Edited by Hatebox

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They never cared about the quality of the scripts for the previous films...

I just writed what he said :lol:

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