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Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales | May 26, 2017 | It's better than "On Stranger Tides", I guess

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Thisguy    2

OS box office doesn't count? WTF?

"studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number." Edward Jay Epstein- The Hollywood Economist

Domestic revenue just counts for a lot more than overseas revenue, says David Mumpower with Box Office Prophets

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kowhite    14,268

"studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number." Edward Jay Epstein- The Hollywood Economist

Domestic revenue just counts for a lot more than overseas revenue, says David Mumpower with Box Office Prophets

They do, not only because of the higher returns from the theatrical receipts, but because of the higher conversion rates into home video relative to box office.

That being said...international hardly doesn't count. Pirates 4 still made a lot of money, and international box office is the primary thing to thank for that. Certainly the international box office warrants a look at making this sequel, as there's still lots of money to be made. Certainly a dollar made at the domestic box office is worth a lot more to the studio than a dollar made at the international box office, but when international box office is 4 times that of the domestic box, well, in that case international does in fact become more important than domestic.

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John Marston    14,427

I have a hard time believing international box office doesn't count at all. Otherwise many movies considered hits would then be flops. Casino Royale for instance, or 2012 (Emmerich already has another big budget film being financed by the same studio so obviously Sony must have been pleased with the results)

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Mojoguy    5,915

The only reason MI4 was made was because of how well MI3 did OS. It certainly wasn't because of its DOM numbers.

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kowhite    14,268

I have a hard time believing international box office doesn't count at all. Otherwise many movies considered hits would then be flops. Casino Royale for instance, or 2012 (Emmerich already has another big budget film being financed by the same studio so obviously Sony must have been pleased with the results)

It definitely counts. It's just that a dollar at the domestic box office is more valuable than one at the foreign box office.That being said, it's never that simple. If you're movie does gangbusters at the foreign box office in say, Great Britain, that's every bit as good as getting it n the states. The revenue sharing is high, the conversion rates to video are good. If you're making gangbusters at the box office in say Russia, or China, then the story is completely different. Now you're getting like 15 cents on the dollar, and converting jack squat when it comes to home video.So yes, international absolutely, definitely does count.

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Thisguy    2

Another thing to add is the Tariffs some countries have that tax movie revenue.Like Cult says Overseas does count but not as much as DOM. And when I say not as much I don't mean a slight 1-10% difference closer to half because of all the complications such as Currency,Tariffs, and foreign distributorsIF a movie makes 700M OS yes it benefits for sure your easily looking at 200M profit pending on the case however the same profit could be made with a 400M gross here in the states.I guarantee if you ask a studio Executive if they would rather a movie open to 100M and gross 300 here in the states and then only go on to gross 150M OS for a total of 450M vs open to 50M gross 150M and then gross 300M OS for a total of 450M they would undoubtedly pick the first.Studios are also using the new OS grosses as publicity much like they do with opening to number 1 or breaking opening holiday records. Look our movie grossed a billion worldwide.They don't tell the public that it didn't count for AS much just like they don't state the ticket price inflation, or 3D IMAX sales when considering a record.

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kowhite    14,268

They paid him 50 for the last one

Naa, he didn't get that much...at least, not upfront.If you mean overall, including the backend...then 50 is not enough.

With the amount of money Pirates 4 made, I think Depp would prefer a percentage deal. Even 10% of WW gross would mean 100M+

I think you can take it to the bank that Depp would prefer he gets a huge upfront salaray PLUS a percentage. I mean, that's what he got on P4, and 3, and 2. Why settle for any less.

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Thisguy    2

Naa, he didn't get that much...at least, not upfront.If you mean overall, including the backend...then 50 is not enough.I think you can take it to the bank that Depp would prefer he gets a huge upfront salaray PLUS a percentage.I mean, that's what he got on P4, and 3, and 2. Why settle for any less.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/bio55.5Mhttp://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_15729.html50-75Mhttp://www.slashfilm.com/johnny-depp-to-earn-56-million-for-pirates-4/56M

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kowhite    14,268

Well, what can I say, I think they're wrong. All of those links.But the bottom line is Depp gets paid gobs of cash, so I won't debate the issue.

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Thisguy    2

Well, what can I say, I think they're wrong. All of those links.But the bottom line is Depp gets paid gobs of cash, so I won't debate the issue.

Understandable. None of those sources have much of a backbone. The only support i have is mutiple sources state simular numbers.

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fishstick    6,201

I hope never if the plan is indeed to bring back Borelando.

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Hatebox    7,461

Bruckheimer says there is a script, but he thought it wasn't good enough.

They never cared about the quality of the scripts for the previous films... Edited by Hatebox

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CJohn    47,775

They never cared about the quality of the scripts for the previous films...

I just writed what he said :lol:

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