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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Corpse

JAPAN: WKND Actuals (BATB Looking at >$100m USD)

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Corpse, What do you see TA doing in Japan? Considering most SH movies flop can it make 30M or more?

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Corpse, What do you see TA doing in Japan? Considering most SH movies flop can it make 30M or more?

I wouldn't expect much in Japan even if it's performing really well in the rest of Asia. As you said, Superhero films are unpopular, and besides the Spider-Man franchise which has been a well-known property since the 70's in Japan, Batman (1989) is still the highest grossing superhero film with 1.9 billion yen. And that mark is more than likely the ceiling for The Avengers. 1.9 billion yen currently equals about $24 million.The poor release date also shows signs of low expectations. It's not unusual for Japan to get Hollywood films last, but The Avengers is opening at the end of Summer and right after Obon Week (one of the three biggest weeks of the year). Edited by Corpse

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Thanks, I was hoping for 30M but I can live with 24M.

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Everyone familiar with a certain market says the same: SH have never done this before here and then suddenly TA does something totally different. Possible explanations ready for Japan?

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The second post of this thread has been updated to include Yearly Statistics, All-Time Admissions, History (1980-Present), and General notes to remember about the box office.

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How are you getting only 16.83m admissions for Titanic?

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How are you getting only 16.83m admissions for Titanic?

I'm still updating the second post so everything isn't completely updated (the admissions section is now, however). The one you saw was the copy/paste I did from my other thread (outdated).Titanics number comes from an article on Spirited Away's 115th day in release when it surpassed Titanic in admissions. Edited by Corpse

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Alright. The second post is fully updated now.

Now, every Sunday night I will post the Top films (ranked by admissions) from the four biggest cinema chains in Japan: Toho Cinemas, Warner Mycal, Shikoku Cinema, and Cinema Sunshine.

The most accurate chain when compared to the National Ranking is Toho Cinemas because Toho operates the most theaters and screens in the country (almost 25%). They're also the first to update each Sunday.

May 12-13

Weekend Admission Rankings

TOHO CINEMAS

1. Thermae Romae (Toho) Week 3

2. Sadako 3D (Kadakowa Pictures) Week 1

3. Space Brothers (Toho) Week 2

4. Larry Crowne (Disney) Week 1

5. Detective Conan: The Eleventh Striker (Toho) Week 5

6. Kamisugi (Toho Video Division) Week 1

7. We Were There: Part II (Toho) Week 4

8. Kamen Rider X Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen (TOEI) Week 4

9. SPEC: The Movie (Toho) Week 6

10. Chronicles of My Mother (Shochiku) Week 3

Warner Mycal, Shikoku, and Sunshine will update later tonight (this morning).

Sadako 3D (the latest film in the Ring series) is expected to debut with 200 million yen (about $2.5 million); Larry Crowne near 100 million yen ($1.2 million); Kamisugi is a Toho Cinemas exclusive and won't appear in other rankings.

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Hello! I've been given permission to start a new Japan Box Office thread. A few of you probably know me from WorldOfKJ, and perhaps have read my updates in my Japan Box Office threads over the years. Japan is still the largest international market and isn't being represented very well here. :(

This thread will have the same features and updates as my past threads.

Here is a rough guide on when to expect certain updates:

Weekly Schedule:

Mondays: Weekend and Weekly Admission Rankings are posted.

Tuesdays: Weekend Actuals are posted; Charts are updated.

Wednesdays and Thursdays: Movie News that may include casting, trailers, etc. is posted; Articles may be posted.

Fridays: Weekend Forecast is posted.

Saturdays: Early Weekend Projections are posted.*

Sundays: Weekend Cinema Chain Rankings are posted; Weekend Estimates may also be posted.*

*This can vary week to week. Sometimes the data isn't available.

More precisely it's the second biggest foreign market after China, and about the same size than France. ;)

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I wouldn't expect much in Japan even if it's performing really well in the rest of Asia. As you said, Superhero films are unpopular, and besides the Spider-Man franchise which has been a well-known property since the 70's in Japan, Batman (1989) is still the highest grossing superhero film with 1.9 billion yen. And that mark is more than likely the ceiling for The Avengers. 1.9 billion yen currently equals about $24 million.

The poor release date also shows signs of low expectations. It's not unusual for Japan to get Hollywood films last, but The Avengers is opening at the end of Summer and right after Obon Week (one of the three biggest weeks of the year).

I understand this strange release date now.$20m - $30m is the target in Japan, not that bad but given this market's size we could expect more...I love shonen (mangas), shonen's fans would love The Avengers, some battles have a shonen aspect :P

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Great work Corpse :hi5:

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More precisely it's the second biggest foreign market after China, and about the same size than France. ;)

maybe sometime but not at present http://www.hollywood...owth-326-303324

I quote: .....

Overseas, box office was up across almost all markets in 2011. China saw enormous growth, with ticket sales reaching $2 billion -- second only to Japan, where revenue reached $2.3 billion. Japan was flat last year because of the earthquake and tsunami in March.

France virtually tied with China in reporting $2 billion in ticket sales, followed by the U.K. with $1.7 billion and India with $1.4 billion.

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maybe sometime but not at present http://www.hollywood...owth-326-303324

I quote: .....

Overseas, box office was up across almost all markets in 2011. China saw enormous growth, with ticket sales reaching $2 billion -- second only to Japan, where revenue reached $2.3 billion. Japan was flat last year because of the earthquake and tsunami in March.

France virtually tied with China in reporting $2 billion in ticket sales, followed by the U.K. with $1.7 billion and India with $1.4 billion.

It would be very interesting to see how much of that are from hollywood movies.Thats what i´m interested in

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I can't believe there's only one non-Japanese film in the top 10 for the week.

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maybe sometime but not at present http://www.hollywood...owth-326-303324

I quote: .....

Overseas, box office was up across almost all markets in 2011. China saw enormous growth, with ticket sales reaching $2 billion -- second only to Japan, where revenue reached $2.3 billion. Japan was flat last year because of the earthquake and tsunami in March.

France virtually tied with China in reporting $2 billion in ticket sales, followed by the U.K. with $1.7 billion and India with $1.4 billion.

This year China will probably pass Japan.

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This year China will probably pass Japan.

Japanese film market is more open than Chinese film markets.Japan's local movies are much better than China's.

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Japanese film market is more open than Chinese film markets.Japan's local movies are much better than China's.

Surely, unfortunately they aren't able to export them.

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Surely, unfortunately they aren't able to export them.

I don't understand why. They are so successful with everything else.

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