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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets | July 21, 2017 | Budget - 209 Million Dollars

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There isn't much difference, you release your big blockbueter wide in every market in the world, it s gonna cost you 150m minimum.

 

 

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On 4/17/2017 at 7:44 AM, MrGlass2 said:

 

We don't know how much movies cost until a few months after release, so every time a number is given somewhere it becomes a fact. This kind of discussion is pointless.

 

And especially in this case: what is the source for that $209 million claim? Can't find it on THR or anywhere else, Google's first result is... this thread.

lol, we definitely know how much movies cost pre release.  that's just a flat out false statement.

 

can't find the THR article i read but here's the same thing from movieweb (also if you google 'valerian 209 million' you will get a lot of results confirming the same.

 

http://movieweb.com/valerian-most-expensive-movie-france-production/

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8 hours ago, The Futurist said:

 

There isn't much difference, you release your big blockbueter wide in every market in the world, it s gonna cost you 150m minimum.

 

In some market the difference could be big (over 20%) Warner is usually the studio that spend the most on tv ads domestic and it is released by STX.

 

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lol, we definitely know how much movies cost pre release.

 

French productions are a bit different (you can find a document with the budget of every movie made over 7 million in France in 2013 for example) a bit like a Louisiana Production, when movies are not made in market with tax incentive program that publish their budget we usually do not their budget pre-release, and will not post release. We will most probably never know the budget of the last King Kong, Fast and furious 8, ghost in a shell, madmax fury road, BvS, Suicide Squad and movies like that, and the rumors will have 70-80 million difference between them.

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1 minute ago, Barnack said:

 

In some market the difference could be big (over 20%) Warner is usually the studio that spend the most on tv ads domestic and it is released by STX.

 

 

French productions are a bit different (you can find a document with the budget of every movie made over 7 million in France in 2013 for example) a bit like a Louisiana Production, when movies are not made in market with tax incentive program that publish their budget we usually do not their budget pre-release, and will not post release. We will most probably never know the budget of the last King Kong, Fast and furious 8, ghost in a shell, madmax fury road, BvS, Suicide Squad and movies like that, and the rumors will have 70-80 million difference between them.

 

Forgive me if you think I pry, but do you work in Tax Incentives programs somewhere because you seem to know so much about all those deals ?

 

:thinking:

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No simply looking at public domain (and leaked) info, they are usually well documented for the tax payers that are financing them after all (and the producer looking to compare between jurisdiction).

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Got the new trailer at F8. This looks fucking insane in the best ways. Cinematography is gorgeous and action looks legitimately creative. I’m hyped.  First predicts:

 

OW: 24M

DOM: 64M

WW: 248M

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Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

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21 minutes ago, kayumanggi said:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

 

 

Lol

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59 minutes ago, kayumanggi said:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

 

Looks like they know it's going to be bomb and just said fck it. 

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9 minutes ago, Mr Impossible said:

 

Looks like they know it's going to be bomb and just said fck it. 

 

47 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

 

Lol

Y'all haters.

 

:depp:

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Great poster

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I wonder if they are banking (get it?) on foreign grosses

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42 minutes ago, lilmac said:

I wonder if they are banking (get it?) on foreign grosses

I doubt. Maybe France..That's all. Bombs away.

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56 minutes ago, lilmac said:

I wonder if they are banking (get it?) on foreign grosses

 

Would not surprised is the US market is foreign grosses from their point of view, it absolutely need to work in Europe were Besson is somewhat a big deal.

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So Tele is stanning for this?

 

I admire the brave souls that follow him.

 

I mean, not about the movie itself. But good luck to y'all who's brewing hope in terms of BO prospect then with Tele's cursing presence looming over.

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Is that Jabba the hutt on that poster?

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18 minutes ago, Sam said:

So Tele is stanning for this?

 

I admire the brave souls that follow him.

 

I mean, not about the movie itself. But good luck to y'all who's brewing hope in terms of BO prospect then with Tele's cursing presence looming over.

 

I'm not predicting this film's box office at all right now, but Tele's supporting it, damn that's unfortunate. 

 

Now just imagine if he decides to make a "over 300m in France" club...

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Despite absolutely hating Lucy, I really want to see this but it will probably end up with John carter numbers.

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7 hours ago, kayumanggi said:

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

 

This poster looks pretty cool imo.

Different, but intriguing.

 

2 hours ago, Chewy said:

Is that Jabba the hutt on that poster?

 

From what I heard, this property was one of the many inspirations for Star Wars back in the day, so that could be the reason for such an uncanny resemblance.

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