Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Wonder Woman | June 2, 2017 | Reactions (including RT critics) are... very positive (Cue Electric Cello) | No spoilers allowed | NOT THE ZACK SNYDER / BVS / SS THREAD - YOU WILL BE BANNED

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Just now, Tele Came Back said:

 

Almost as good as someone who predicted 120something/338. :P 

 

Yeah but I didn't have to read and moderate 50 pages of ppl arguing about trash so I feel better by default

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2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

I wonder how someone who predicted 150/400 in the summer game would feel right about now :cloud9:

 

I went 120/350 in the game. I think it gets around 70% on RT and gets a whole new demographic of superhero movie watchers into theaters. It just needs to retain 85% of the MoS OW audience and bring in a more female demo to make the 57/43 into 50/50 which I think can be done.

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2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

I wonder how someone who predicted 150/400 in the summer game would feel right about now :cloud9:

I'm feeling PRETTY good with my prediction right now:

 

 

On 2017-4-29 at 3:38 AM, iJackSparrow said:

I think reviews for this will be GREAT. I have a very strong feeling this will be the first DCEU film that will reach beyond hardcore fanboys, so my early predictions for its box office run at the moment:

 

Previews Thursday: $21m 

Friday: $45m 

Saturday: $39m

Sunday: $33m

 

I expect some frontloadness in the preview numbers because superhero fans are eager for a good DCEU film and a good Wonder Woman film. I also expect reviews to be great, ranging around 75%-85% score on RT, so that will definitely help with its box office run. I don't think The Mummy will steal Wonder Woman's thunder at all, so it'll be a relatively easy road for Wonder Woman until Transformers comes around, and even that I don't think will have too much of a bad effect. I see this having a stronger multiplier than Man of Steel, so from a 138m OW I can see this having between a 2.4 to 2.6 multiplier, between 331m to $358m domestically. I basically see Wonder Woman topping at the very least BvS for bigger box office grossing film among the DCEU films (domestically). 

 

 

:cloud9:

 

Thinking actually HIGH END for this right now: around $350m Dom. Not really sure about how it will work OS, but it could very much go at least just as well as Vol. 2. 

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Just now, iJackSparrow said:

I'm feeling PRETTY good with my prediction right now:

 

 

 

:cloud9:

 

Thinking actually HIGH END for this right now: around $350m Dom. Not really sure about how it will work OS, but it could very much go at least just as well as Vol. 2. 

 

21M previews isn't happening based on the sellout count I am seeing. I can buy a max of 12M previews right now. Will do the final counts week after next to see where we stand. If it somehow manages to get to 21M previews, then @Chewy's OW prediction will turn out to be a lowball.

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Just now, grim22 said:

 

21M previews isn't happening based on the sellout count I am seeing. I can buy a max of 12M previews right now. Will do the final counts week after next to see where we stand. If it somehow manages to get to 21M previews, then @Chewy's OW prediction will turn out to be a lowball.

I'm expecting to happen, and still look like the numbers I'm talking about. Positive buzz will lead to that. It actually started today. And no, I wouldn't be surprised if something as crazy as Chewy's prediction happens. 

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 still going to keep expectations in check. 

Just not getting the same amount of hype and marketing it seems as MOS, BVS, and SS. Also there is a lot of competition. So it will do well but I am still thinking people should keep expectations in check

 

 

overseas, especially. DC just isn't as popular as Marvel it seems there. China also seems will be a bust due to a shitty release date

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I'm keeping the $104 million OW prediction I made in the summer game. But maybe my $258 million DOM total will be too low.

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So if this beats tracking by a lot, how much do we attribute to different audience demographics vs good reception vs (the kicker) Imagine Dragons in the late marketing push

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Just now, John Marston said:

 still going to keep expectations in check. 

Just not getting the same amount of hype and marketing it seems as MOS, BVS, and SS. Also there is a lot of competition. So it will do well but I am still thinking people should keep expectations in check

 

 

overseas, especially. DC just isn't as popular as Marvel it seems there. China also seems will be a bust due to a shitty release date

Wonder Woman is very well known, even outside the US in my opinion. A good / well received DCEU film is actually something the general audience might be craving for. We are used to great and well received MCU films, but don't understimate the novelty feel that it comes from an Wonder Woman film: first superheroine blockbuster production and first DCEU film with great reception. That's a powerful combo, in my opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

So if this beats tracking by a lot, how much do we attribute to different audience demographics vs good reception vs (the kicker) Imagine Dragons in the late marketing push

 

Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, whoa, oh, oh, oh.

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3 minutes ago, Chewy said:

So if this beats tracking by a lot, how much do we attribute to different audience demographics vs good reception vs (the kicker) Imagine Dragons in the late marketing push

 

Audience Demographics: 5%

Good Reception: 5%

Imagine Dragons: 90%

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7 minutes ago, grim22 said:

 

21M previews isn't happening based on the sellout count I am seeing. I can buy a max of 12M previews right now. Will do the final counts week after next to see where we stand. If it somehow manages to get to 21M previews, then @Chewy's OW prediction will turn out to be a lowball.

 

I don't think WW will have huge previews but we've seen in the past like with BATB and Jurassic World that previews don't indicate how a film does on its OW even though I think WW will be more frontloaded than the films mentioned 

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Not a critic, but one of two people whose seal of approval means a lot to the character

 

 

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I am sooooo happy right now. A solo female superhero movie getting great reactions and finally a DECU movie gets it right. This is going to own June. $150M OW/$450+ DOM. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

 

I don't think WW will have huge previews but we've seen in the past like with BATB and Jurassic World that previews don't indicate how a film does on its OW even though I think WW will be more frontloaded than the films mentioned 

 

The average WW gross of films featuring Imagine Dragons songs is over 450M. The sky is the limit for Wonder Woman.

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2 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:

I am sooooo happy right now. A solo female superhero movie getting great reactions and finally a DECU movie gets it right. This is going to own June. $150M OW/$450+ DOM. 

 

Before today I'd say that you were crazy, my $138m ow prediction already seemed crazy. Not anymore. My prediction actually looks tepid right now, haha. I'm thinking on opening a club...

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I have a feeling tracking is going to fly up these next two weeks. I think the reviews and reactions combined with the fan screenings will give it a nice boost.

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32 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 still going to keep expectations in check. 

Just not getting the same amount of hype and marketing it seems as MOS, BVS, and SS. Also there is a lot of competition. So it will do well but I am still thinking people should keep expectations in check

 

 

overseas, especially. DC just isn't as popular as Marvel it seems there. China also seems will be a bust due to a shitty release date

If ww has MOS number in China.It's not too bad for woman solo.

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Should probably caution that these predictions are super high and not terribly likely but whatevs let's have fun

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