Sunshine, Light, and Joy

 

This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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Passengers | Chris Pratt, Jennifer Lawrence | Dec 21, 2016 | Trailer pg 70

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1 hour ago, trifle said:

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here is a video interview with Jon Spaihts, the screenwriter discussing how the script changed during production and the changes to the ending.

 

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The formatting doesn't seem to work with the spoiler tag :(

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5 minutes ago, amelin said:

 

The formatting doesn't seem to work with the spoiler tag :(

 

I took it out of the spoiler tags.  I did put in a spoiler warning.

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yikes at this movie; didn't like it much

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1 I liked it pretty much

2 I'm even seeing it again

3 I'm even seeing it again with my girlfriend (who missed it the first time because of JLaw)

4 I spoiled her the whole plot - and she said she can't understand what the Western feminists are fuming about - and that any REAL woman would have done what Aurora did in the end - and that she would love if I wake her up like that some day...

5 The sweet little thing :)

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6 hours ago, shayhiri said:

4 I spoiled her the whole plot - and she said she can't understand what the Western feminists are fuming about - and that any REAL woman would have done what Aurora did in the end - and that she would love if I wake her up like that some day...

 

 

That's not a good example though since you two are already a romantic couple. If the two of you were total strangers I doubt she would feel the same way.

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I think a lot of people would be upset initially. But I also think if you truly fell in love and things transpired as they did on the ship I think that anger will dissipate overtime and you could eventually become what they became. That's just my opinion.

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9 hours ago, Blankments said:

yikes at this movie; didn't like it much

 

I didn't either. Not a popular opinion here, but I was bored by the lack action after they sold it to me as an action film. It's a drama. 

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23 hours ago, amelin said:

 

I don't :ph34r: 

 

I say knock yourself out. It's fiction anyway.

 

The thing is: While I do know that what he did was deplorable, I can't judge him (like most of critics did), because I'm pretty sure that I -and most of persons- would do the same thing, actually, if I was in his situation, I can only think in two viable options: suicide and do what he did, so, I would be hypocrite if I attack him, BUT, I also can't say that I agree with his option, there's a difference between understand a situation, and agree with it, and that's what most of critics failed to see, IMO. 

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1 hour ago, Mockingjay Raphael said:

 

The thing is: While I do know that what he did was deplorable, I can't judge him (like most of critics did), because I'm pretty sure that I -and most of persons- would do the same thing, actually, if I was in his situation, I can only think in two viable options: suicide and do what he did, so, I would be hypocrite if I attack him, BUT, I also can't say that I agree with his option, there's a difference between understand a situation, and agree with it, and that's what most of critics failed to see, IMO. 

 

I think the issue is the whole point, and 'what would you do' is the question, not 'is this a grand thing'.  I think

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she had a hard time forming deep relationships after

 

her father died, and formed one with Jim and felt betrayed, furious and heartbroken.  In the end, the question was was she willing to give up the first deep relationship she had formed in some time, after the guy made it clear he would take it back if he could, and risked his life for her and the others on the ship.

 

It tied up to quickly imho, but it didn't keep me from enjoying it, it just meant the end wasn't as good as the initial 3/4.

 

 

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13 hours ago, shayhiri said:

4 I spoiled her the whole plot - and she said she can't understand what the Western feminists are fuming about - and that any REAL woman would have done what Aurora did in the end - and that she would love if I wake her up like that some day...

 

 

6 hours ago, 4815162342 said:

If the two of you were total strangers I doubt she would feel the same way.

 

For the second part of his bolded sentence, yes, you're right. For the first part, not so much. They weren't strangers. She had known him for a year, she did fall in love with him.

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  Passengers TGWTDT %
       
5 day 22,19 21,15 104,97
       
Fri 2,66 3,53 75,36
Sat 3,81 4,95 77,03
Sun 2,34 2,88 81,22
Mon 0,75 0,94 79,61
Tue 1,23 1,25 98,10
       
Gross to date 82,89 79,10 104,79
Legs (5 day) 3,73 3,74 99,84
Final gross* 105,86 102,5158 103,26
*if Passengers holds the last day's %  

 

Tuesday bumps are huuuuuge. 17.1M to go.

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Saw this last night with a friend.  She liked it more than me, but we were both kind of meh on it.  The romance angle was kind of icky, but didn't bother me as much as I thought it might.  Mostly, it was just dull, and I didn't really care what happened to either of them.  *shrugs*  Pratt was nice to look at though. 

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23 hours ago, misafeco said:
  Passengers TGWTDT %
       
5 day 22,19 21,15 104,97
       
Fri 2,66 3,53 75,36
Sat 3,81 4,95 77,03
Sun 2,34 2,88 81,22
Mon 0,75 0,94 79,61
Tue 1,23 1,25 98,10
       
Gross to date 82,89 79,10 104,79
Legs (5 day) 3,73 3,74 99,84
Final gross* 105,86 102,5158 103,26
*if Passengers holds the last day's %  

 

Tuesday bumps are huuuuuge. 17.1M to go.

 

Thanks.  Since discount Tuesdays have become more important (apparently) than when TGWTDT came out, the drop Wednesday might be worse, as well, but let us know!

 

Also, I have to say that this film sure creates a lot of debate, still ongoing, even from people who didn't like it. For example, Sasha Stone on twitter was saying it should have played as a horror movie where

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Jim woke up woman after woman like sampling ice cream flavors, then got rid of them to wake up another.  That doesn't actually sound less sexist to me than what did happen, but I guess she figures it would put him clearly on the 'villian' side.

 

And this review loved it right up to the end then

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thought they should have been found still alive but withered away when the crew woke up, and in separate cabins, suggesting that they ended up in solitude in space, after all.  http://faroutmagazine.co.uk/film-review-jennifer-lawrence-and-chris-pratt-in-passengers/

 

Personally, I'd have just given a little more screentime to Aurora's internal process that lead to the decision she made, so it wasn't kinda abrupt at the end, but I guess everyone has their own opinion... and continue to discuss them, which, to me, is one of the things this film set out to cause.

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  Passengers TGWTDT %
       
5 day 22,19 21,15 104,97
       
Fri 2,66 3,53 75,36
Sat 3,81 4,95 77,03
Sun 2,34 2,88 81,22
Mon 0,75 0,94 79,61
Tue 1,23 1,25 98,10
Wed 0,78 1,08 72,35
       
Gross to date 83,67 80,18 104,36
Legs (5 day) 3,77 3,79 99,42
Final gross* 99,83 102,5158 97,38
*if Passengers holds the last day's %  

 

Big Wed drop as expected. Projected final gross is under 100M for the first time. I still think it will gross 100M. It'll be over 90M after next weekend, and almost 95M the weekend after that. There is no way Sony will let this finish short of 100M if it comes that close.

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31 minutes ago, misafeco said:
  Passengers TGWTDT %
       
5 day 22,19 21,15 104,97
       
Fri 2,66 3,53 75,36
Sat 3,81 4,95 77,03
Sun 2,34 2,88 81,22
Mon 0,75 0,94 79,61
Tue 1,23 1,25 98,10
Wed 0,78 1,08 72,35
       
Gross to date 83,67 80,18 104,36
Legs (5 day) 3,77 3,79 99,42
Final gross* 99,83 102,5158 97,38
*if Passengers holds the last day's %  

 

Big Wed drop as expected. Projected final gross is under 100M for the first time. I still think it will gross 100M. It'll be over 90M after next weekend, and almost 95M the weekend after that. There is no way Sony will let this finish short of 100M if it comes that close.

Theater count is now a factor. It is below TGWTDT's count for the first time but that film lost a lot of screens a week later. Passengers is holding decently so I don't think it will lose too many screens next week. If it is close SONY will keep it in theaters until it crosses the line.  

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On 11/01/2017 at 5:35 AM, shayhiri said:

1 I liked it pretty much

2 I'm even seeing it again

3 I'm even seeing it again with my girlfriend (who missed it the first time because of JLaw)

4 I spoiled her the whole plot - and she said she can't understand what the Western feminists are fuming about - and that any REAL woman would have done what Aurora did in the end - and that she would love if I wake her up like that some day...

5 The sweet little thing :)

 

 

Oh my god, :lol:

 

Scary.

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It's funny you mentioned "feminists" in relation to this film.

 

On one hand people are annoyed about the whole "he wakes her up just because she's hot and sends her to her death" thing.

 

On the other hand you have people who hate Jennifer Lawrence and the fact that she spoke out about pay in relation to gender, and also go $8m more than Pratt for this movie.

 

So do the anti-feminists HATE Jennifer Lawrence but LOVE the actions of Pratt's character? (that Sony hid from audiences in the marketing)

 

 

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3 hours ago, straggler said:

Theater count is now a factor. It is below TGWTDT's count for the first time but that film lost a lot of screens a week later. Passengers is holding decently so I don't think it will lose too many screens next week. If it is close SONY will keep it in theaters until it crosses the line.  

 

It will loose 950 theaters(-28%) and still be in 2500 theaters. Well enough to have a decent gross this weekend. 

Sony will push this to 100 mill

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