Passengers | Chris Pratt, Jennifer Lawrence | Dec 21, 2016 | Trailer pg 70

[terrestrial]

12 minutes ago, Moviesareawesomegirl said:

 

I am almost certain that the GA only truly knows certain older movie stars by name. I feel that casual moviegoers today might know older film stars and directors mainly because their longevity and some of their overall pop culture presence and/or scandals that transcend the mere acting/making movies of their stardom (Hanks, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Cruise, Ford, Roberts, Jolie, Pitt, Depp), but even younger big "names" like Lawrence, Pratt, Tatum, Hart, and Saldana may still be known as "that girl/guy from that movie," unless we are talking about computer-savvy moviephiles.

That is what I meant with isnt that the actor/actress that was also in.....?

I think they'll recognise some per trailer, but a lot miss trailers or the trailers get lost in the distractions of too many advertisings in complete and so on.

But to look up for the next project of actor/actress.... GA has to know the name. And the interest / energy strong enough for films in general to even bother. I think a lot of the casual GA does not act that way, they also want their... lets say sport, or.... many other interests, plus family live, managing and financing daily live, work, transit to work. Not a lot of time left for more than to sit down at last after a long day.

[Moviesareawesomegirl]

1 minute ago, terrestrial said:

That is what I meant with isnt that the actor/actress that was also in.....?

I think they'll recognise some per trailer, but a lot miss trailers or the trailers get lost in the distractions of too many advertisings in complete and so on.

But to look up for the next project of actor/actress.... GA has to know the name. And the interest / energy strong enough for films in general to even bother. I think a lot of the casual GA does not act that way, they also want their... lets say sport, or.... many other interests, plus family live, managing and financing daily live, work, transit to work. Not a lot of time left for more than to sit down at last after a long day.

 

Absolutely.

After I wrote and sent my previous post, I realized that, without meaning to, I basically paraphrased much of what you had already written.

[terrestrial]

Just now, Moviesareawesomegirl said:

Absolutely.

After I wrote and sent my previous post, I realized that, without meaning to, I basically paraphrased much of what you had already written.

Don't be worried, my English is a bit tending to be too lengthy, details can get buried in it. When I do not know the 'perfect' term I tend to start to describe what I mean - then a lot can get buried even (in case you use a mobile and do not see my signature: my English is mainly self-trained)

[PPZVGOS]

The movie star is no longer.

 

Tom Cruise was the last great Hollywood star. 

[straggler]

1 hour ago, PPZVGOS said:

The movie star is no longer.

 

Tom Cruise was the last great Hollywood star. 

Maybe. But did Cruise or Dicaprio or Sly or Arnold ever save a movie that got critically mauled like this one? Maybe Cocktail, but that was a much more straightforward commercial film, and it was before RTs and other aggregator sites.  

Edited January 13, 2017 by straggler

[PPZVGOS]

12 minutes ago, straggler said:

Maybe. But did Cruise or Dicaprio or Sly or Arnold ever save a movie that got critically mauled like this one? Maybe Cocktail, but that was a much more straightforward commercial film, and it was before RTs and other aggregator sites.  

 

Tom Cruise carried several OK, or mediocre or even poor films to box-office glory, of which Cocktail is a brilliant example. Cruise could also carry any type of movie to success (Tom Hanks was also almost as good in this regard) Tom Cruise never got type-cast to the same degree that Stallone, Harrison Ford, Arnold, Sandler, Costner or Julia Roberts ever did. 

 

I mean, he transformed a most mediocre warplane movie into a mega-blockbuster, or a boring drama like The Firm into another mega-hit. The list is endless. And Tom Cruise kept delivering, not year after year, but decade after decade! I think that he would still be going strong if he didn't jump Oprah's couch! 

[Moviesareawesomegirl]

54 minutes ago, straggler said:

Maybe. But did Cruise or Dicaprio or Sly or Arnold ever save a movie that got critically mauled like this one? Maybe Cocktail, but that was a much more straightforward commercial film, and it was before RTs and other aggregator sites.  

 

Melissa McCarthy  led three films with even lower RT scores than Passengers to solid grosses (Tammy, The Boss, and Identity Thief), and the three of them combined cost less than Passengers.

[straggler]

49 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

 

Tom Cruise carried several OK, or mediocre or even poor films to box-office glory, of which Cocktail is a brilliant example. Cruise could also carry any type of movie to success (Tom Hanks was also almost as good in this regard) Tom Cruise never got type-cast to the same degree that Stallone, Harrison Ford, Arnold, Sandler, Costner or Julia Roberts ever did. 

 

I mean, he transformed a most mediocre warplane movie into a mega-blockbuster, or a boring drama like The Firm into another mega-hit. The list is endless. And Tom Cruise kept delivering, not year after year, but decade after decade! I think that he would still be going strong if he didn't jump Oprah's couch! 

I'd say Cocktail was the best example. Top Gun was pretty well received. Even had the No. 1 song of the year. The Firm also, which was based on a well known Grisham novel. Cocktail was the only one that got truly trashed. 

 

It would have been interesting if Passengers got treated as mediocre, maybe like Elysium. Instead it got mugged.  

[straggler]

13 minutes ago, Moviesareawesomegirl said:

 

Melissa McCarthy  led three films with even lower RT scores than Passengers to solid grosses (Tammy, The Boss, and Identity Thief), and the three of them combined cost less than Passengers.

Except those type of films (like Sandler films before) are from a subgenre that are quite cheap to make and which are pretty much critic proof. Not the best comparison. Identity Thief was a nice hit.   

[JennaJ]

13 minutes ago, Moviesareawesomegirl said:

 

Melissa McCarthy  led three films with even lower RT scores than Passengers to solid grosses (Tammy, The Boss, and Identity Thief), and the three of them combined cost less than Passengers.

 

I think Melissa McCarthy is an example of an actress who's a current draw in specific types of movies. So is Dwayne Johnson.

 

So are Pratt and Lawrence.

 

Honestly I don't get the argument here at all. Of course Cruise, Hanks, DiCaprio etc were draws. DiCaprio still is and so are Hanks and Cruise in the right role.

[trifle]

I think if you take the stars out of this movie, those reviews would have left it doing much worse.  It is doing 'better than expected' and in some overseas markets is doing better than Rogue One.  I think the stars are what made the people who are seeing it see it. 

 

However, this discussion just goes around and around so I don't expect anyone on either side of the discussion to change their opinions.

[straggler]

I just think Passengers is more proof of star power than proof that it no longer exists. No question there have been and will be other draws. 

[Porthos]

I'll agree that 'star power' is dead once we can all agree on what 'star power' means and what it should do for a film's box office. 

Edited January 13, 2017 by Porthos

[AniNate]

I'd say the Emma Stone / Ryan Gosling pairing is definitely helping La La Land's appeal

[Moviesareawesomegirl]

31 minutes ago, tribefan695 said:

I'd say the Emma Stone / Ryan Gosling pairing is definitely helping La La Land's appeal

 

Did it help Crazy Stupid Love?

[robertman2]

2 hours ago, straggler said:

Maybe. But did Cruise or Dicaprio or Sly or Arnold ever save a movie that got critically mauled like this one? Maybe Cocktail, but that was a much more straightforward commercial film, and it was before RTs and other aggregator sites.  

Sly did. Rocky V?

[Porthos]

3 hours ago, robertman2 said:

Sly did. Rocky V?

 

Judge Dredd is SUCH a better comparison. Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot!, an even better one.  Critically mauled, and flopped at the box office.  Cost around 45 million to make, made 28.5 domestically, 70 million worldwide.  

 

Adjusts to approx 59 million domestically, more or less.

 

Hell, Sly From Rocky to the year 2000:

 

Quote

11/21/76	Rocky	UA	$117,235,147	-	n/a	-	4
4/26/78	F.I.S.T.	UA	$20,388,920	-	n/a	-	32
9/22/78	Paradise Alley	Uni.	$7,185,518	-	n/a	-	39
6/15/79	Rocky II	UA	$85,182,160	-	$6,390,537	780	8
4/10/81	Nighthawks	Uni.	$14,905,359	-	$2,525,360	659	35
7/31/81	Victory	Par.	$10,853,418	-	n/a	-	36
5/28/82	Rocky III	UA	$125,049,125	1,317	$12,431,486	939	3
10/22/82	First Blood	Orion	$47,212,904	1,054	$6,642,005	901	17
7/15/83	Staying Alive	Par.	$64,892,670	1,747	$12,146,143	1,660	-
6/22/84	Rhinestone	Fox	$21,435,321	1,630	$5,459,726	1,630	31
5/22/85	Rambo: First Blood Part II	TriS	$150,415,432	2,074	$20,176,217	2,074	1
11/27/85	Rocky IV	UA	$127,873,716	2,254	$19,991,537	1,325	2
5/23/86	Cobra	WB	$49,042,224	2,131	$12,653,032	2,131	16
2/13/87	Over the Top	WB	$16,057,580	1,758	$5,149,200	1,758	33
5/25/88	Rambo III	TriS	$53,715,611	2,562	$13,034,238	2,562	15
8/4/89	Lock Up	TriS	$22,099,847	1,384	$6,025,520	1,382	30
12/22/89	Tango & Cash	WB	$63,408,614	1,575	$6,628,918	1,409	12
11/16/90	Rocky V	UA	$40,946,358	2,106	$14,073,170	2,053	20
4/26/91	Oscar	BV	$23,562,716	1,391	$5,091,027	1,388	29
2/21/92	Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot!	Uni.	$28,411,210	1,958	$7,058,590	1,958	27
5/28/93	Cliffhanger	TriS	$84,049,211	2,431	$16,176,967	2,333	10
10/8/93	Demolition Man	WB	$58,055,768	2,258	$14,262,432	2,246	13
10/7/94	The Specialist	WB	$57,362,582	2,522	$14,317,765	2,522	14
6/30/95	Judge Dredd	BV	$34,693,481	2,204	$12,291,536	2,204	22
10/6/95	Assassins	WB	$30,303,072	2,343	$9,378,637	2,343	25
12/6/96	Daylight	Uni.	$33,023,469	2,189	$10,015,875	2,175	23
8/15/97	Cop Land	Mira.	$44,862,187	2,233	$13,510,482	2,233	18
2/27/98	An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn	BV	$45,779	19	$28,992	19	-
10/2/98	Antz (Voice)	DW	$90,757,863	2,929	$17,195,160	2,449	-
10/6/00	Get Carter	WB	$14,967,182	2,315	$6,637,830	2,315	34

 

All not adjusted.  Don't even need the adjuster to see the ups and downs in Sly's career over the years.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Porthos

[franfar]

7 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

The movie star is no longer.

 

Tom Cruise was the last great Hollywood star. 

Star power isn't dead, you just can't rely on it to save a turd. In the right role, it'll amplify the BO returns however.

 

Cruise is stale and doesn't do well in anything outside of Mission Impossible

Edited January 14, 2017 by franfar

[franfar]

2 hours ago, Porthos said:

 

Judge Dredd is SUCH a better comparison. Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot!, an even better one.  Critically mauled, and flopped at the box office.  Cost around 45 million to make, made 28.5 domestically, 70 million worldwide.  

 

Adjusts to approx 59 million domestically, more or less.

 

Hell, Sly From Rocky to the year 2000:

 

 

All not adjusted.  Don't even need the adjuster to see the ups and downs in Sly's career over the years.

The spacing on those numbers hurts

[Porthos]

11 minutes ago, franfar said:

The spacing on those numbers hurts

 

I know, sorry.  Was in a bit of a rush.  Might fix them in a bit.

 

edit

 

Huh.  Didn't take as much work to fix as I thought.  Should look a little better now.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Porthos