How HV sales used to turn big box office hits into massive box office GIANTS

[Rudolf]

Another thing is how in the past Video rentals would be gigantic for mid size thriller or action movie or comedy in relation to its Budget and box office haul.

 

Home Video used to be a gigantic cash cow.

 

However foriegn markets exploding did help.

 

 

However films like lets say Pirates 2 were really crazy hits.

 

They made over 1 billion WW before 2D in 2006 and then had 100's of millions of dollars of Home Video sales as well.

 

These days even big hits sell hardly anything on home video these days. True Digital sales are big but I don't believe for a second they have replaced Home Video sales on a dollar to dollar basis. 

aren't they mostly flat rates?

[solaris]

Fascinating read, Baumer.

I don't think there's any solid numbers for sales here in the UK, but occasionally (and usually at this time of year) we get some end of year sales figures (like the one below). Frozen sold 4m units here!

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a618905/frozen-and-fifa-top-entertainment-sales-chart-for-2014.html#~p0fIUYuZTMvaEX

[Lordmandeep]

aren't they mostly flat rates?

 

 

Firstly digital sales are cheaper then Home Video however I don't think digital sales come close to replacing evaporating Home Video sales. 

 

 

I was just pointing out that a movie like DMC today would not make as much after theatrical release anymore. However with 3D and expanding markets it likely would have done close to 1.3-1.4 billion dollars today WW though. 

[baumer]

Dmc sold about 300 mill on dvd...goblet of fire did half a billion. That # blows my mind.

[Lordmandeep]

Dmc sold about 300 mill on dvd...goblet of fire did half a billion. That # blows my mind.

 

 

Issue is would those movie make that much more WW these days?

 

DMC yes? GOF I dont think so. 

[terrestrial]

Like Solaris already stated, you'll find a lot of charts for the placing a movie title gained, but the sold numbers / earned money...  nothing compare to BOM or so I know of

 

 

 

14 January, 2013 | By Samantha Sweeney

James Cameron’s Avatar has become the first title to sell more than a million copies on Blu-ray, the British Video Association (BVA) announced today. The Dark Knight Rises topped the top 10 of 2012.

Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox, the sci-fi blockbuster was first released on Blu-ray in the UK in April 2010.

The figures follow a surge in Blu-ray disc sales in 2012, up 8.9% in volume year-on-year.

Sales of Blu-ray discs increased their share of the Top 10 Films in 2012 to 30.1% compared with 25.8% in 2011. There are now more than 4,800 titles available in the format.

“The 18.5% rise in Blu-ray Disc catalogue sales shows that people are watching their favourite titles, old and new in high definition,” said Lavinia Carey, director general of the BVA.

Titles topping the chart in 2012 include The Dark Knight Rises (Warner Home Video), Avengers Assemble (Walt Disney Studios) and Prometheus (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment).

Sales of Blu-ray players rose 8.3% in 2012 with more 3D BD players purchased than standard models, contributing to the 188% boost in 3D Blue-ray disc sales, the BVA reported. There are more than 2 million 3D televisions now in UK homes

The biggest films for 3D BD were Hugo (EIV) followed by Prometheus and Avengers Assemble.

 

Quote plus some 2012 charts here to find

http://www.screendaily.com/news/avatar-first-to-top-1m-blu-ray-sales-in-uk/5050589.article

 

The official Blu-Ray, DVD, and so on a lot of articles are quoting from for UK details are here listed

http://www.bva.org.uk/market-information/blu-ray-sales-chart/

 

If paying 249 English Pound per years list you can get their yearbook

 

example 2014

 

The BVA Yearbook is broadly recognised as the fount of knowledge for the video industry, providing both facts about the market and customers and special features from key industry leaders.

 

The 2014 edition is now available to purchase as a download and the hardcopy will be available from the 23rd June. Now in its 21st edition, it includes detailed analysis of the market:

 

More people buy a physical video than subscribe to Sky or Netflix combined:  More than 22 million people bought a video disc in 2013, whilst 10.5 million households subscribed to Sky and 3.3 million subscribed to a Video-on-Demand service, proving the continued popularity of Blu-ray Discs and DVDs. In fact 73% of the total £2.24 billion video market remains in a physical rather than a digital format.

 

Consumers still prefer to own than rent: There is still something very special about owning a title on video, with 70% of consumers paying to keep and just 30% renting. And owning a disc rather than having a digital download firmly remains the most popular form of keeping a video to watch again and again, with 92% of spending in the physical world and just 8% in the digital world.

 

Blu-ray Disc continues to grow: Sales of Blu-ray Discs grew 10% in 2013 as consumers continued their love affair with watching video in HD.

 

The BVA Yearbook contains all the information and statistics you need on the video market and its customers, including sales and shipments; release data; distributor and retailer market shares; video charts by both format and genre; rental and digital; consumer behaviour and profiles; and general hardware, technology and leisure spending. Data comes from a wide selection of respected industry sources, including Official Charts Company, IHS, GfK, Kantar and MediaTel amongst others.  

 

The Yearbook also features guest articles from industry leaders from the BBFC, the International Video Federation, FACT, the Alliance for Intellectual Property, ERA and the Industry Trust for IP Awareness. The Foreword is written by Viscount Younger of Leckie, the Minister for Intellectual Property.

[Plain Old Tele]

IMHO, the Star Trek films are horrible. I believe there are trekkies who will support the film unconditionally. As for the rest of us, most could do without it.

In an odd way, it's sort of the reverse. The diehard diehards hate them (STID was voted the worst Trek film ever at some convention). More casual Trek fans and movie fans generally like them, and the people who love them tend not to be major Trek fans in general, but are more big tentpole fans than anything else.

[Lumos]

Where is the link for the article that says GoF made 545m in HV sales? That's a huge number!

[terrestrial]

The Cars franchise mad a lot of money too, not only via HV

 

 

indicate that sales of Cars merchandise two weeks out from the release of the film amounted to US$600 million. Estimates put out in November by the Walt Disney Company peg total sales for the brand at around $1 billion

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cars_%28franchise%29#Box_office_performance

[Jonwo]

In an odd way, it's sort of the reverse. The diehard diehards hate them (STID was voted the worst Trek film ever at some convention). More casual Trek fans and movie fans generally like them, and the people who love them tend not to be major Trek fans in general, but are more big tentpole fans than anything else.

The ironic thing is that the most popular Star Trek films are the more mainstream ones like The Voyage Home, First Contact and the recent two films.

The fans complain about rebooting the franchise but Paramount didn't have a choice, the franchise was on it last legs when Enterprise ended and Nemesis flopped. They needed it to appeal to more than just the fanboys

[terrestrial]

Where is the link for the article that says GoF made 545m in HV sales? That's a huge number!

 

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office	$290,013,036	Details
International Box Office	$606,898,042
Worldwide Box Office	$896,911,078
Home Market Performance
Domestic DVD Sales	$539,698,920	Details
Domestic Blu-ray Sales	$5,932,722	Details
Total Domestic Video Sales	$545,631,642

 

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Harry-Potter-and-the-Goblet-of-Fire#tab=summary

[baumer]

Ill never understand the love for the new Star Treks. Theyre just white noise to me.

[Noctis]

I'm in disbelief at the HV sales of GoF. 545 million?! Insane...

How much did DH2 do? I know it and DH1 are one of the bigger sellers of the decade but still...GoF's number floors me.

[TServo2049]

Where did they get that number, I wonder? Their own weekly sales show a cume of only $217 million in 2011 (after over 5 1/2 years on the market). Did they get some WW sales number mixed up with the domestic?

Edited January 3, 2015 by TServo2049

[tonytr87]

In an odd way, it's sort of the reverse. The diehard diehards hate them (STID was voted the worst Trek film ever at some convention). More casual Trek fans and movie fans generally like them, and the people who love them tend not to be major Trek fans in general, but are more big tentpole fans than anything else.

 

Into Darkness was one of my favorites from last year, and the '09 movie is one of the best blockbusters of the aughts in my opinion. But the only other Trek films I've seen from beginning to end were the next Gen movies, which were dull as fuck. Diehard Trekkies are a weird bunch. They think it's cool to hate the Abrams movies. Meanwhile, for summer blockbusters, they received rave reviews and made a helluva lot more money than the original series. 

[kowhite]

Oh yes, those good ol days when home video was massive.  It truly is remarkable how just even 7 years ago movies were raking in enormous dough from video, and it's so much down.

 

Sure, occasionally...there's a movie like Frozen...which sells like...it's 2004.

 

But man.  Not anymore.  Even stuff you'd think would be raking it in...I thought...Marvel!  People will want to own that like crazy!  Not really (Guardians is doing really well though, but like, 2014 well).

 

And those who bring up digital?  Not even fucking close to filling the gap. 

[jb007]

Fantastic thread, Baumer. 

 

Our buddy Marek was an awesome source of DVD sales. Hope he comes here regularly. 

[jb007]

Edited January 3, 2015 by jb007

[kowhite]

DP

Director Photogrpahy? Digital Photogrpahy? Double Penetration?

[TServo2049]

Not to turn this into a Trek thread, but it seems like the only one most people agree on is Wrath of Khan. (And even then, there are some who decry it as being too militaristic, and a betrayal of Roddenberry's idealistic vision. These people almost always defend The Motion Picture in the same sentence.)

And holy fuck, The Incredibles outsold Episode III?

Edited January 3, 2015 by TServo2049