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This was every comic book movie (except of course Aquaman) of the last 5 to 10 years. Bad CGI villian with no real motivation other than blank end humanity and attempts at wise cracks with some nostalgia/nerd bait.

This is going to make the Marvels look like the Endgame.

As been said a million times, Flower Moon was always an Apple loss leader to get into the Leo and Marty business. Its to tell creatives that come to Apple we will give you a budget and not make you make theme park rides. If the goal was to maximize box office they would have released it on Dec 25th and/or after the strike ended and not mid Oct during the actors strike. Leo being one of the few actual stars that move the needle. Disney is responsible for Toby McGuire and Garfield?

In fairness its not that this is the 4th time (3rd publically released) that makes the F4 is prestigious, its the huge comic sales since 1972 that brought it to the bring of cancellation how many times and the premises that only work in a pre 1972 world that gives it is luster.

Not enough blame is going to Disney for how bad they botched the release. Bad original date in the summer. Then moved to a date where they would not get Imax screens and only 1 week week of Dolby/PLF. Dune moved early enough that Disney could have easily moved the film up a week to get 2 weeks of PLF including 2 wks of Imax.

YA movies fell off because YA book sales fell off. After all, YA became a toxic environment of one-upmanship on who is the purest of the pure. It made the French Revolutionary government look like a lesson in understanding. This along with YA market being dominated not by 8-18 year olds but 18-35 year old readers This. Marvel Studios gets no credit for any success DP3 has and only gets blame for as much MCU content they force on the film. DP3 is its own separate IP from not just the MCU but from mainline Fox Xmen. Thank you.

The reason is simple the production and marketing of John Carter is a textbook example on how to produce a bomb from giving a first-time live-action director full control over production with no oversight at all to giving him control of marketing. There was no one there to tell him how to schedule production. Off the top of my head it was something like 3 days in and they where already a week behind. Shots that needed longer lead time for FX and where needed for marketing where not shot early. There was also the endless reshoots. A lot of the lessons that should have been learned with JC are still standard practice across the Disney IP family. On the marketing side, they acted like this was an established IP when it was original IP as far as the GA was concerned. Again, they let Staton have approval over marketing decisions why?

A lot of people are trying to take down the Fast franchise because it has Bree. How many people are going to think of DP3 as part of the MCU? It's own separate thing, even in the Fox days where it had no connection to the mainline Xmen franchise at all. Point being DP3 will rise and fall on its own merits. Marvel Films should get no credit if the movie hits and only get blame for as much MCU stuff they shove in the film. Spiderman yes. Wolverine probably. Xmen overall, I don't think it will be so easy. The premise of Xmen does not really make sense in the Marvel Universe and especially not in the MCU universe. WHy would the in-universe public love Iron Man but hate Cyclops? Multiverse can help a bit but the ongoing story of the Xmen being hated while teaming up with Thor is going to be odd. These are at least Marvels A level stars. F4 are a C or D team. Yes I know they are the first big book for marvel superheros but its been a slow seller for most of the last 40 years. The movies have not been well received. The origin story is 60 years out of date and updating it with some SpaceX nonsense is corny and see how well it worked going a different way in fan4tasitc. Its a story/characters for the 1960s.

On a positive note, that is 2.4 million it did not have on Sunday.

This. The last F4 made a whopping 56 million. F4 2 was disappointing to the point the 3rd and a spin-off were canceled. The books have rarely been in the top 50 best sellers in the last 50 years. The team does not make sense in the current MCU. A "New" F4 movie makes more sense and more box office potential than yet another reboot.

There is a reason its called "access journalism". A large chunk of American critics depend on the ability to have access to the Hollywood/Disney juggernaut. See Vulture article from Sept.

Its going to be movies about stuntmen. Starts next year with Fallguy which will lead to a Hooper remake. This leads to both Sony, DC and Marvel turning Spiderman, Superman and Fantastic 4 into stuntpeople. These movies will all make billions until Marvel kills the golden goose by using CGI instead of well stuntmen.

That is 7-8 years ago at this point. Now its huge budgets and they will fix it in post just like the rest of Disney live action.

How does this still keep happening for a producer house like Disney? The Marvel way of making a movie I guess is fine when everything hits a billion and budgets dont matter.

So much this. Why wasn't this movie moved up to this weekend when Dune 2 moved? Why not take the extra week of PLFs when the next weekend is a direct demo competition? I saw you mention elsewhere that you are getting a lot of promotion for this movie. It's the opposite for me an example watched a full football game today that was about 3 1/2 hours total on ESPN, a Disney owned channel. I got 1 ad for this movie. I got probably 15-20 of the Brie Nissan ads though. The Nissan ad where she is driving the Z is probably the one she has the least face time in and she still had more face time than the 1 ad for Marvels which I believe is called "Legacy".

Marvel has not let down its fans with mostly subpar products the last couple of years, no its the fans that have let down Marvel for not spending money on the slop they are served. Every excuse under the sun, but here is the real reason, the public is sick and tired of the darn Nissan commercials. They have to watch her in their home for 3 hours every weekend when trying to watch football they don't want to pay to see her in a movie that looks like it was budgeted and made for D+.

Most people i talk to think Rocky Balboa is a little bit out there with the plot but otherwise a good time at the movies. And it has a 77% on RT.

Maybe I am looking at all the wrong places but where are all these Snyder fans? I easily see 10x maybe 50x as many anti snyder fan posts for every pro or even neutral post granted I am not going to comic book forums. Someone responded to your post with an Anti Snyder Fan account whose big example was a post by a troll in pro Snyder Sub that does not appear to have that many members where every one of the comments was calling the guy out. But, again its somehow sane to have a whole twitter account revolved around looking for this stuff. Its normal that 9k+ people follow this.

You do know that the "anti-woke" side here are people pissed that a movie written by white people favorably about a tribe that kidnapped black people and sold them into slavery, right?

Even the Patriots disgusting rewrite of history pals in comparison to making people that had a special tree they made their enslaved captures walk around so they would forgot about their kidnapping before being sold off to likely the Caribbean to die the good guys fighting to end slavery. Yes, they had a special tree and ceremony so those they capture would forgot who to blame because the Dahomey where under no illusions on the pure hell the people they captured where about to face. I just cant wait for the part of the movie where our heroes sacrifice the slaves they kept for themselves in order to win a battle against the French who are defending a group of mostly run away slaves from Dahomey.

So you are saying it needs Miracle number 1?

They take a write off and lose just a little that they can blame entirely on the old regime. Compared to taking ownership, spending tens of millions on reshoots and tens of millions on marketing for it to lose the same or more. The crew should have made a watchable movie that did not look cheap, that is a middle finger to both WB and more importantly to the audience.

The other thing is what is there coming out anytime soon that will take theaters away? Its going to have 2000+ theaters until at least the middle of Oct.

^What is going to take its screens over the next 2 to 3 months?

There is taking liberties with history and then there is something like this. This is not pretending the US won WW2 without any help this is pretending that Japan was a good guy in WW2. That the Rape of Nanjing was a was really a relocation plan to avoid US bombs.