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5 hours ago, Pinacolada said:
I think the No Time to Die premiere and review embargo lift will give it a massive boost. If the movie's reviews are as good as I think they're going to be, it will start selling really well next week
I agree. NTTD is a hotly anticipated film but it's not a comic book movie. There will be a ton of walk-up business.
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2 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:
well i meant WW, not USA. i barely see any hype for bond in different boards whereas dune has had a lot of talk for weeks. plus dune's numbers OS are great so far
I think the easy explanation for that is people have actually seen Dune. The premier took place at the Venice Film Festival and several markets are already playing it. The boards I'm on outside this site are seeing big buzz in the UK (of course) and much of Western Europe. Anecdotally, I'm seeing buzz where I live in the States.
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19 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:
I had no quarrel on the statement Craig bond being biggest or not, I was only pointing at the fact inflation adj isn't best measure.
The method you used of ranking is better, basically Bond was 40-50% of top films of that year which will be $200-350M today, as top movie today is usually $500-700M.
What would you use to quantify "commercially successful?"
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19 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:
You are reading what he said wrong. You can't compare the two different era performance just with inflation adjustment, nothing to do with degree of success of them. Back in that era, theaters used to be only place to watch a movie for a long long time, till the movie premiered on TV.
The first hit box office took was TV, then home video and in time streaming, etc with lowest window in history.
This is a quote from his original post:
"Bond has been on screen for 60 years and its never been as commercially successful as it is now with the Craig iteration"
Showing adjusted figures speaks to this not being true. Most films from the 60's don't appear on any competitive lists for inflation-adjusted grosses even though they existed within the same ecosystem as the Connery Bond films.
Inflation is not the only metric used in judging a film's popularity, but tickets sold and relative box office gross are ways in which "commercially successful" can be quantified.
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1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:
starting to think dune will outgross this
Why?
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2 hours ago, Ozymandias said:
Can you really compare the BO of the Connery films of 50 years ago to more contemporary entries of today though? Much more people went to the movies back then on average than they do today. The boxoffice and the nature of moviegoing has changed dramatically since then and will it continue to change. I'm not even sure if we can compare films coming out now and in the future to films that have come out just 2 years ago since COVID may have permanently reduced the amount of people who are willing to go to theaters.
Die Another Day is pretty great.
By that logic no film in any preceding decade could ever really be considered a success in and of itself. We can't make a proper assessment of the popularity of "Star Wars" because it was made in 1977 and not 2017. Was "The Exorcist" even successful since it was made 50 years ago?
I get the argument about a bigger movie going public in the 1960s but tickets sold are tickets sold. Doesn't Bond's current existence kinda speak to the continued popularity of the films? Or, at least, the popularity of those early films? Audiences didn't have to watch those films. In fact, Hollywood is filled with way more losses or so-so results than box office successes or outright phenomenons. Bond has been both at various times in its 60 year history.
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10 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:
Bond has been on screen for 60 years and its never been as commercially successful as it is now with the Craig iteration. For that reason I suspect the next incarnation of Bond won't be that much different than the Craig movies in style and aesthetic. Why dumb it down or change it towards a YA audience? If anything, when Bond shed the goofiness and camp, things you'd probably otherwise associate with younger audiences, the franchise become more commercially successful.
Bond will always adapt in order to remain relevant. The more serious Craig version of Bond was a direct response to the success of The Bourne Identity, all the parodying it got by the Austin Powers movies, and a post 9/11 world. I just hope producers and studio heads don't completely misread the room one day do something incredibly stupid.
I'd beg to differ. For a 60 year old franchise, inflation matters when assessing relative success.
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- Thunderball ($590 million) - 1965
- Goldfinger ($514.7 million)
- Skyfall ($358.3 million) - 2012
- You Only Live Twice ($336.4 million)
- Moonraker ($262.5 million) - 1979
- Die Another Day ($259.6 million) - 2002
- Tomorrow Never Dies ($255.8 million)
- From Russia With Love ($249.8 million)
- Diamonds Are Forever ($248.8 million)
- Casino Royale (2006) ($239.5 million)
- The World is Not Enough ($234.1 million) - 1999
- GoldenEye ($229.3 million)
- Spectre ($222.4 million)
- Quantum of Solace ($219.7 million)
- Octopussy ($202 million) - 1981
- The Spy Who Loved Me ($196.8 million)
- Live and Let Die ($187.3 million)
- For Your Eyes Only ($184.7 million)
- Casino Royale (1967) ($177.3 million)
- Dr. No ($177.1 million)
- Never Say Never Again ($164.9 million)
- On Her Majesty’s Secret Service ($150.3 million)
- A View to a Kill ($132.8 million)
- The Living Daylights ($122.7 million)
- The Man with the Golden Gun ($105.1 million)
- Licence to Kill ($81.8 million)
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1 hour ago, TigerPaw said:
I still can't believe Skyfall hit a billion. It really showed the bond franchise is not a UK or west centric franchise, but a franchise that is popular worldwide.
That has always been true. Bond's box office ebbs and flows like anything else, but the brand's cultural influence is entrenched around the world. Like a storied fashion house, Bond comes in and out of vogue but no one can deny that the franchise, similar to Gucci or Yves Saint Laurent, will always be revered above most.
To put it another way, do you imagine the U.S. President opening the LA Olympic ceremony in 2028 with Iron Man or Thor?
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14 minutes ago, Hatebox said:
When are reviews coming?
I read that the embargo ends on September 29th.
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25 minutes ago, SnokesLegs said:
UK and Europe, guaranteed. I doubt it opens bigger in the US though.
Could have better legs though, considering that NTTD is exclusively a theatrical release and Craig's Bond films have had good multipliers.
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10 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:
way more than 80m??? sure, jan.
covid + already 6 years since the last bond movie which was poorly received + superhero movies completely taking over since then....
i think it does 60m
superhero fandom = 8-50 yo
bond fandom = 30-70 yo
I'm not really sure what superhero movies have to do with this movie's box office. If NTTD was opening against a popular superhero movie, then I could see the point. But superhero movies simply existing as a cinematic genre, even as popular as they are, doesn't mean that people don't see other movies. It does mean that more studios release more superhero movies and invest less resources in developing other types of projects.
Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond has been wildly successful over the last fifteen years. The same fifteen years that saw a massive spike (or renaissance) in superhero movies. The same is true for the Mission Impossible film series.
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11 hours ago, Pinacolada said:
Yeah I'm really curious how this will open. I think it can match and even beat Spectre, but the whole crowd saying that this appeals to older folks and those folks aren't really coming back to theaters yet makes me question what's realistic for this movie
I agree that reviews will be really important for this. I fully expect this to be on the same level as Casino Royale/Skyfall and that's gonna help it a lot.
I wonder when reviews are gonna drop though. The premiere is on September 28 in the UK which is only a day before it would premiere there which is odd. Obviously that will give it a week to build good buzz domestically, but I still think/hope that reviews will be out a little earlier with some screenings for critics
Broadway just reopened to big crowds. The average age for a Broadway theatergoer is 42.3 years old. The age range for the average Bond film goer is 25-45. If Broadway is any indication of the willingness for "older" demographics to attend mass entertainment gatherings, then NTTD will be fine.
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29 minutes ago, ViktorLosAngeles said:
So, where do we think this will land in terms of numbers for the opening weekend? I'm guessing anywhere between 70 and 100 million $ in the US.
I think this does 80mill
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2 hours ago, Jake Gittes said:
....but really, it's about two hot gypsy women wrestling in the mud.
Can't argue with that.
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On 9/12/2021 at 5:17 PM, Eric and the Ten Rings said:
I've never seen any Bond film until now and I finished up the Craig titles last night (I'll try and get through all the other ones this month). So I was told that all these Bond movies were basically trend chasers and followed whatever was popular at the time and like...I'm still kind of amazed by this? Because basically each Craig iteration so different from one another and each feel like a time capsule for the year they came out. Even Quantum on the basis that it was a victim of the Writer's Strike, because of how weird the script for that movie was. I guess the next Bond movie will be about Twitch or whatever lmao
Bond is both a genre unto itself and a sponge, of sorts. The Bond franchise created modern action cinema. Its villains, set design, sardonic wit, music, style and general flavor can be identified in every corner of popular culture. Hell, Friday the 13th Part VI features a "gunbarrel" opening.
The Bond franchise will be 60 years old next year. So, yeah it's absorbed cultural trends and various cinematic styles. But every film franchise does this. It's just that Bond is the only one, save for Godzilla, that's been around for nearly half of cinema's 126 year history.
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12 hours ago, Eric and the Ten Rings said:
Halfway through From Russia with Love. What horny executive demanded there to be a scene where two gypsies wrestled each other in the mud for no reason?
It's actually from the book. The sequence serves three purposes:
1. Adds cultural flavor
2. Displays the antagonism between the Russian Agents and Kerim Bey or, more broadly, the conflict between the Russians and British in Turkey. Understanding this conflict is integral to understanding why Spectre's plan matters in the first place.
3. Shows the audience that Red Grant is tailing Bond. Bond is saved by Grant (unbeknownst to Bond) because he's integral to Spectre's plan.
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https://variety.com/2021/film/news/no-time-to-die-james-bond-china-release-1235060990/
‘No Time to Die’ Set to Hit China After Passing Official Censorship
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22 hours ago, JWR said:
Do you think the news about Halloween Kills will improve this movie's chances second weekend?
I think so. I could be wrong, but the international Box Office for NTTD will be the biggest of the year. NTTD is poised to dominate Europe. NTTD will be the biggest pandemic film in the UK and Germany and there's no reason to believe that the rest of Western Europe won't follow.
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I have been saying all along there is just a big psycholocial barrier fo people to pay that much to see a movie on streaming Underline Movie. Disney got away with charging really high prices for Hamilton because they sold it as a special unique Broadway event. They failed to do that with Mulan.
And, yes, people like to go out with family and.or friends on occasion ,get out of the house. Someghint a lot of people ehre who are procliaming the death of theaters just don't get.
Hamilton also has the benefit of being a cultural phenomenon that didn’t need streaming revenue to make back its production budget.
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I think there’s a psychological component. Going out to a movie may cost as much or more than a VOD purchase/rental, but there are two things theaters offer that watching from home does not: a night outside the house and a higher quality viewing experience. Dropping $30.00 to $50.00 for an experience is more digestible than spending it on convenience. Especially when one can go without the convenience.
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Can’t wait!
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8276207/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Jodie-Cromer-sweet-playing-Miss-Honey-Matilda.html
“It's the big screen or nothing for Bond. The picture certainly won't be launched on a computer screen or an iPhone. 'If it has to wait till next year then so be it,' I was told by a close source. 'There are hundreds of millions of dollars involved here. Release it when audiences feel safe to return. But it's a nerve-racking call.'
Meanwhile I'm hearing good things (as you would, I guess) from the tiny number of people lucky enough to have been allowed to see it.”-
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from 100-110 to 80-90? Time to Flop, James Flop.
Ha. Overreact much? It’s on track to be or match the biggest opening weekend for a Bond film. If it performs exactly like Skyfall then it’s a huge success. Bond films don’t open huge but they can have amazing multipliers.
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No Time To Die | October 8 2021 | 82% on RT | RIP Sean Connery
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I think you're exactly right. "Older" seems to be overemphasized. Certainly, Bond fans range from 8 to 80 but the major audience demographic is 25 to 45.
"Hollywood.com analyzed Facebook mentions of the film Skyfall shortly after its release and found that among men, those aged 25 to 34 made the most frequent mentions and that mentions in the United Kingdom exceeded those in other countries. It found that 52% of the Facebook users who described themselves as Bond fans were female.[16] Fan demographics are considered by the filmmakers and the firms seeking product placement. Smirnoff vodka, which had been featured in Bond films since Dr. No, was replaced with Finlandia vodka in Die Another Day. A Smirnoff representative said that the company had lost interest in the Bond audience, whose major demographic they saw as men aged 25 to 45, and that it was seeking younger, more social customers aged 21 to 29.[17]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_fandom