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  1. The upside of that is that it indicates there is a huge audience out there just waiting to spend money on a movie they like. The people come back quick. Just at Star Wars fans running back after the Prequels when TFA came out. Some of them are unhappy now but they'll be back the minute there is a SW film they like. I know it's not wise to doubt Cameron, but I can't help feeling that he'd better deliver something special with the next Avatar. Marvel is killing it right now in an unprecedented way commercially, critically, and in popular culture. Maybe I'm off base, but Marvel seems to be more ingrained in pop culture than Avatar at the moment.
  2. You on the other hand do "fool somebody" because you are fooling yourself. You "don't really see" because you agree with your politics. Ok...explain what you mean by "current state". What does that have to do with the movie? Not about Trump? Explain how your xenophobic attack on an entire country for not supporting your movie isn't politics? That's the worst kind of politics. You actually somehow saw box office numbers and translated that in your brain somehow to an entire country of people being "dumb". Yeah...that happened. Well of course you would assume things. That's what SJWs do. They often claim to have mind reading skills. I on the other hand know what "important" means. It's about race and race only. It about the color of the skin of the cast and director and that only. It has nothing to do with the movie itself. You actually believe that everyone else should be eager to talk about race first and if not ...they are "triggered". It's called apathy to your politics. I'm more interested in the character, the MCU, and the movie itself. In no instance that you get upset about did I bring up politics first. Is this you not talking about politics again? Yeah...I see no valid reason to make a movie political. And you certainly can't force people to accept your politics while claiming you aren't talking about politics. More politics that of course you claim you aren't talking about. Yes it was a relief to discover that the SJW politics were not present in the movie. That's nothing to be ashamed of despite your inference here. SLW politics are toxic and divisive. SLWs typically speak to people exactly like you did here. Pretty much political bullies. Not that I mind. I find it revealing. And since politics have been brought up...by other people...throughout this thread it was certainly relevant to point out it's not really there in this movie. If we are going to get into mind reading maybe I should try it too. I think it bothered you that the movie didn't bother me. The argumentum ad populum fallacy means nothing to me. Just another logical fallacy that SLWs often resort to. A SLW is "respected" by other SJWs? Well isn't that surprising!
  3. Ok...this is how you know a movie character is getting into the mainstream. Check out what happens at 1:56:
  4. My "problem" is that I notice your SJW tirades. You mean that Paddington post where you obviously brought politics into it? Then you denied it whereupon I quoted you again proving that you brought politics into it? You of course had no answer for that and just posted a "clever meme". You brought "Trump" into it of course. Go dig up your post if you think you were so "innocent". I dare you. So we can dispense with your little act right now. And you think the "important" narrative that has infected this movie for the past few months isn't obvious? It's toxic and cannot possible be a positive for anything.
  5. There is a difference between politics and divisive politics. T'Challa is a king so there will always be politics. It's what the character is and his wise and calm reaction to political problems concerning Wakanda has always been a strength of the character. And it's certainly not divisive that the extremist is the bad guy. Of course he is. Only an extremist would think that is divisive.
  6. Yeah that's been bothering me for years. All the fake complaints about "Marvel never kills anyone" made me roll my eyes. They kill too many characters in my book. ------- My impression was I liked it but didn't quite love it. Maybe a 7/10 or 8/10 even. No preachy politics unless you are really looking for it. It's about a King so obviously there will be politics. (power struggle stuff) But there is a difference between that an an agenda. I didn't feel that except maybe one line. And it's not like T'Challa is going to "throw open the borders" to Wakanda. He's more about helping other countries advance than bringing them to his country. (great idea) So that really isn't there if anyone is worried about that. If there is a political "message" it's that political extremists are dangerous. No big revelation on that one. The bad guy is a left wing extremist. T'Challa certainly doesn't agree with him. T'Challa has always been a voice of reason. He is a wise leader in the comics and they do the same with him here. Well done. The movie also reveals the flaws in a monarchy. It's fine if the leader is a good man like T'Challa....not so fine if you get an extremist in the chair. The flaws I found weren't really about politics. The movie drags a bit in spots and the fight scenes are "meh". Nothing like the inventive and interesting fights in Winter Soldier and Civil War. The CGI was noticeable in spots if you care about that. (I don't) The actors do a good job all around. Chadwick Boseman is perfect. Not overly impressed with Michael B. Jordan though. Sterling K. Brown played his dad and has way more charisma imo. I would love to see him in more movies. As a T'Challa fanboy I was a bit irritated that he seems a little underwhelming as a fighter without the Panther powers. Kinda like how Daredevil gets his butt kicked so much in every fight in season 1...not a fan of that. The odd notion that freezing someone in ice to keep them alive in a coma was weird...but a minor thing. Not a ton of humor but they put it in the right places. One line in particular near the end was perfectly placed to defeat a familiar movie cliche scene. edit: Forgot to mention. Beautiful movie to look at. Very well done there.
  7. It think it falls back on the context of what the original poster said and meant. You are right. No movie would exist if you removed all visuals. So knowing that...is that what the original poster meant when talking about Avatar? That statement would not mean anything special about the movie Avatar if it just meant "remove all the visual elements and the movie wouldn't be as good". That would be true of every movie ever made. So knowing the poster was talking about Avatar....doesn't that indicate the poster meant "CGI visuals"? ...Or...the main thing that made Avatar a big deal? The counter argument would be that the FX in Avatar is not a minor achievement. Removing that achievement would of course diminish it. But removing a major achievement from any movie would diminish it as well.
  8. I think his point was that you can only define one of those things...box office. All the other stuff you mentioned is just opinion. What is "very good movies"? What is "not very good"? What is "artistic success"?
  9. Of course they are of questionable worth. As in....they are worth nothing. It's just something Hollywood invented to have an excuse to get together, throw a party, get drunk, and pat each other on the back with fake "awards". There is no way to determine that one movie is better than another. The Oscars are just one example of how that fails. Use any other measure and the same thing happens. List movies in order of their RT score or Metacritic score and you won't agree that they fall in order of quality. List movie in order of their IMBD scores...same thing. List movies in order of the box office....same thing. There is no method anyone ever uses that proves anything about art. Art is only good if you think it is good. That's pretty much the end of it. You can be the only person on the planet to like a piece of art and it will be just as good. Popular vote means nothing. "Expert opinion" means nothing because they don't agree with each other either. (they can't even make up their minds about which movie is "greatest of all time")
  10. That's what I read. Not sure what other people are reading. Box office is objective measurement. "Quality" in art is a myth and is 100% subjective. We prove this every single time we talk about it. Getting two people to agree on the "good" art is almost impossible. Get 10 James Cameron fans in a room and ask them to rank Jim's movies. You'll probably get 10 different lists. Try the same thing with 10 Beatles fans. Who is the better songwriter....Paul or John? What are the 10 best Beatles songs? Like Barnack said, we don't have a lot of choice but to talk about the subjective. The objective facts can be interesting, but we can cover it very quickly and there isn't much to discuss. So we have to get into opinions in order to have something to talk about. What box office run is "more impressive"? (that's a big one here) Art being subjective is really the reason it is so important to people. It effects everyone individually and so that makes it a personal thing. Can anyone else feel what we feel when we watch a certain movie or listen to a certain song? We don't know...but it feels amazing so we try to see if it works that way for someone else. We "know" we are the most important people in the world but at the same time we are pack animals who need to fit in to survive. All that stuff swirls around in our feelings about art. Just do that "rank" thing which is done here so often. What happens in your brain when you see a list that is very different from your own? Now how does it feel when a list is just like your own? One prompts a negative reaction and the other prompts a positive reaction. This entire thread is based on those feelings. The poor moderators have to fight this human reaction to art on a daily basis. I love stuff like that. Every "measurement" we try comes up with different results. Even the "experts" can't agree with each other. How good is Titanic? We can't quite work it out, can we? We are about to try the whole futile process again with the Oscars. Surely we can figure out what the "Best Picture" is, right? Nope....all the Academy members will vote for different movies and when they announce the "winner" the annual arguments will begin again. The Academy will either be smart or stupid depending on whether or not you like the movie they settled on through popular vote. But like you said....what else would we talk about if we only stayed with things that are objective fact?
  11. Should have kept this one open longer. Jumanji and TGS are doing crazy things after it closed.
  12. Just heard an ad for "ABBA Mania" tour on local radio. Looks like a tribute act. https://www.abbamania.com/usa-tour-dates/
  13. I'm confused. They didn't cast him. Sounds right.... ...but then they did cast Pierce Brosnan?? I think Klein sings better.
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