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  1. So this thread from weeks ago was spot on... Sony always wanted an MCU Spiderverse crossover, and now this new deal makes it possible.
  2. Correct that Spider doesn’t need to be an ensemble film to do well, but evidence does say that being an ensemble film with the Avengers definitely boosts his box office numbers even more.
  3. Not quite sure I understand. That wiki link only states 1st day of release, nothing about last ticket... “First-dollar gross is a practice in filmmaking in which the participant receives a percentage of the gross box office revenue from a film's first day of release” According to this article Disney only made $1.9m from Sony for Far From Home. https://fortune.com/2019/08/21/spider-man-mcu-sony-disney-deal-collapse/
  4. Well it’s 5% of the 1st dollar only, so Disney wouldn’t have gotten anywhere close to $100m, they would’ve only gotten about $3m.
  5. From the thread above: It’s not just Spider-man. Disney May want Spider-man, but Sony also wants to associate Venom and their Spider stuff with the MCU brand. Makes sense why they’re negotiating this long. As Wayne Brady would say: let’s s make a deal!
  6. damn, Disney makes Sony $2B and Sony only pays Disney $4.5m of that chunk!
  7. If so, then poor Kevin Feige... the guy worked his butt off to get everything to work out, all he wanted was a “raise” for the work he’s done and the new work he would have to embark on.
  8. So it’s been known for a while now that parent company Sony Japan has been looking at the right time to sell off its Film and TV division. Industry experts believe that Sony Pictures will inevitably be sold within the next couple years. There was even news just a few months ago that Apple maybe looking into purchasing Sony Pictures. https://observer.com/2019/01/apple-a24-sony-netflix-disney-fox-sale/ Then this Forbes article came along and pointed something very interesting: “It's no secret that Sony Pictures is likely to wind up bought by another company at some point in the next couple of years, for all of the reasons the much larger and more successful 20th Century Fox did the math and realized they couldn't compete longterm in a marketplace requiring a larger stable of branded IP, global multimedia footprint, and marketing power than Fox had, relative to more financially successful and IP-laden studios. If and when Sony winds up in a merger with a company like Netflix, Amazon, or Apple, the Spider-Man IP will revert back to Marvel — and it's unlikely anyone currently involved with the IP at Sony will get a dime when that happens. All of that said, though, if in fact a deal isn't reached, then one of two things will still happen. The first possible outcome is this: Sony makes their solo movies and it all works out fine for them, which leads to another studio stepping in to acquire Sony before the buying price goes up too much (as it would if the solo films continue being billion dollar earners while the spinoffs are likewise blockbusters, even though the IP won't transfer in a sale), and then the Spider-Man rights revert back to Marvel. The second possible outcome is this: Sony makes their solo movies and it all goes badly, the studio spends more and more money on them while the box office diminishes (again), the spinoffs aren't as big of hits as hoped, the IP becomes a mess (again), and Sony's value drops until another company acquires them when the price is relatively cheap (to get their back library of content for a streaming service like Netflix, Amazon, or Apple), and then the Spider-Man rights revert back to Marvel.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/08/21/how-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-dispute-will-be-solved-one-way-or-another/#23ebb3856b50 In other words, Sony needs to make as much money off of Spider-man and his friends IPs as soon as possible, because their window to do so isn’t long. Disney on the other hand, can just take their time. With Endgame coming to past just this year, Marvel likely won’t be making another big team-up Avengers type move anytime soon to include Spider-man in. It took 4 years of buildup after Iron Man to get to the Avengers; this could likely be the same plan at the start of Phase 4. Marvel’s movie slate seems to be full all the way through 2023, so the earliest team-up Marvel movie won’t happen until 2024 the earliest. Between now and 2024, if what industry insiders are saying is correct, there’s a very good chance Sony Pictures will have been sold off in that time frame, resulting in Disney acquiring back the Spider-man and his friends license while they’ve used that time building up their new IPs from Eternals to the Fantastic Four and the X-Men, just right on time for the next big team-up movie to call for Spider-man back. Based on the latest Deadline report, this might be one of the reasons why Disney, likely tired of dealing with Sony’s new head, Tom Rothman for the last half year, was not worried about pulling negotiations off the table when they couldn’t agree to the initial 25% that Disney offered about 6 months ago. They actually have the time and the slate to wait it out, whilst Sony... not so much. https://deadline.com/2019/08/spider-man-disney-marvel-sony-director-jon-watts-next-film-courtship-1202702851/ With that said, hopefully both companies are still able to get a deal before all this has to come to past. It’s a win-win for all involved if that happens.
  9. As new reports of this whole deal keeps coming in, it’s becoming more and more apparent that Sony or more specifically Tom Rothman who dropped the ball. Variety’s latest article basically all but spelled out that these leaks are tactics by Tom Rothman as “master negotiator” to negotiate in public. Sony was first to leak to Deadline that negotiations for Spider-man fell apart because “Disney wanted a 50% split”. But when that tactic didn’t work (#BoycottSony was trending worldwide within 4 hours), a Sony insider told io9 that negotiations were still ongoing and this was all “just a producer’s credit” issue with Kevin Feige. When that still didn’t work, Sony Pictures release a statement on their Twitter account blaming Disney for not wanting Feige to work on Sony projects because he would be “too busy with their new Marvel IPs”. Then they come out saying that “Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman (himself) was willing to give up 25%”. It wasn’t until Deadline, the original source of the whole story to begin with, started looking into the story more and more and revealed it was actually Disney all along who offered Sony the 25% deal while Sony just sat on it for half a year, a deal Sony now wants back on the table. Rothman seems to be doing to Sony what he did before being fired at Fox.
  10. P.S. - Sony is asking for Feige to not only oversee Spider-man but also to bring their Tom Hardy’s Venom into the MCU (Collider) - However, Feige did not receive any producer fee from Sony for his involvement in both Homecoming and Far From Home (THR) so him taking on more projects from another company for the same pro bono rate is unlikely - Sony insider says all this negotiation comes down to that producer’s credit (io9) ...
  11. So from connecting all the dots from these various trades: - Disney originally offered 25% (Deadline) - Sony sat on that offer for 6 months (Deadline) - Injecting speculation but during those 6 months, Endgame comes out and does $2.8 billion. Then FFH comes out and does $1.1 billion. Disney, who still hadn’t heard back from Sony, upped their offer to 50% (Deadline) to wake Sony up and get them on the negotiating table - While negotiating, Disney made a final offer of 30% (THR) which is slightly higher than their original offer 6 months ago, but Sony seems to want that original 25% offer back on the table (Variety) The End...?
  12. If you connect both this new Deadline story with the Variety story, it sounds like Sony is regretting not taking that original 25% deal from Disney, and they at least want that deal back on the table.
  13. Disney gave Sony 6 months to think about it the 25% offer and sounded like Sony didn’t care to respond back.
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