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They're both definitely a lot better and pretty creative. Although anything would be better than the first one. Still looking forward to seeing this probable fascinating train wreck, although probably not in the cinema.

Sydney Sweeney is apparently playing Julia Carpenter who becomes the 2nd Madame Web in the comics. I guess if there was any chance of a sequel to this - which there won't be, then she might be the lead of that one. But Dakota Johnson has been pretty front and centre of the marketing for this one. Even though they should also capitalise on SS's recent success.

Allegedly how can they remove Uncle Ben when they also have pregnant alleged Mary Parker? I mean yeah they can just reshoot it to be generic people but it doesn't make sense. It's not like Spidey timelines actually always make sense or that they would care about that if was a potential money making factor which they had under their control. I'm well aware it's not the first time this may have been done late in the game though.

I'm still really curious about this movie. I don't think it's going to be any good and I'm not sure people's under $10 mill predictions are necessarily inaccurate but, I don't know, it's fascinating. The movie actually has a pretty decent cast for what it is, they have Uncle Ben and Mary Parker, it's directly related to Spider-Man and yet if you've heard of it, it's probably due to a random meme about a terrible trailer. It was never going to do well but they could have tried to get some traction on the cast at least. I guess Sony doesn't care at this point. 14th Feb seems like counter programming with added "hey remember 10 years ago when DJ was in a big movie that came out on Valentine's?" 😉 They don't seem to be trying to work with the recent traction Sydney Sweeney has either. Not that this will get the attention of the fans of ABY.

I love the original, this doesn't interest me, especially because I've listened to the Broadway songs and for me there's nothing particularly catchy. I don't know if being a musical will hurt it but I like that Paramount decided to move it to theatres after Barbie. There IS a market for content aimed primarily at young women on the big screen and not just streaming.

It doesn't sound like it was far from a great production, especially for a movie that cost so much, but I'm not sure this is actually going to change anything. The film is something of a flop and that will automatically lower the amount of people reading or caring about articles like this unfortunately, perhaps unless one of the ladies is nominated for an Oscar. Even people who like the film and like Taraji P Henson have been saying things like "well producers were right, it's performance doesn't justify a huge salary". Doesn't justify the budget either but that's a slightly different issue.

I don't think we can say "the original was successful so there's brand recognition and/or a fanbase". If that was the case then all previously successful IPs that studios drag out of the archives would be successful and we know that's not the case. I do think a decent disaster movie could still capture interest and it does have a good cast but it's far from a sure thing IMHO. A lot will depend on marketing (obviously).

Hiding the music for the trailers and marketing seems silly to me. If you don't want to show a musical for fear of it bombing, don't make a musical! I know the Gene Wilder movie is famous for its very earwormy songs but there are plenty of stories e.g. Oliver Twist which have been both musicals and plain films/TV. They're not being forced.

I agree, that's what I was getting at with "everything else has changed". I said in the Marvel thread that 4 years plus dozens of other projects and a post pandemic world was part of that problem and it's almost exactly the same here... I think with AM1 no one really expected it to be good so it was surprising when it was enjoyable and the underwater setting made it stand out. Now that is old hat. Two movies that made $1billion 4-5 years ago and their sequels have become one of the biggest bombs in history or are about to. Car crash fascinating. Not something I'm happy about but I hope the studios learn the right lessons. And I know that's a vain hope.

The trailer doesn't seem significantly worse than the trailers for the first film but pretty much everything else surrounding this film has changed since 2017. Personally I've watched JM since Stargate Atlantis but even if this wasn't a lame duck movie of an ending universe, I probably wouldn't rush out and see it for the same reason I haven't rushed out to see anything CBM related except GOTG3. OTOH it seems surreal that this is likely going to be the 2nd film within 2 months to go from over $billion to bomb in 6 weeks.

I'm kinda interested in this in a "so bad it's fun" kind of way. And a potential car crash kind of way. That and I love Adam Scott but yeah, nothing about this screams quality production. I suppose the 14th Feb is supposed to be counter programming Valentine's and partly hoping to capture some of the "hey a female superhero movie with the 5SoG girl!" non existent hype.

I got talked into going to see this tonight and it's normally not my thing at all but I thought they trailer looked good and the reactions here and elsewhere have made me interested. And if I'm interested in a Godzilla movie, anyone can. So I wouldn't be surprised if WOM ends up very, very high in the next week.

I don't think lack of Carol in other projects since Endgame (and even then it was a very small role) is the key factor in this sub franchise going from $1billion to what it is now, but I also think it would have been a good idea. If Strange had had nothing between DS1 and MOM then I doubt I'd have bothered to go and see it in theatres. And despite her movie making a massive amount of money and the hype around the first Marvel female lead film, she never entered pop culture in the way that Iron Man did in 2008. Perhaps giving her a role in GOTG 3 or Thor 4 (or have Thor or some of the Guardians join CM2) might have helped. You could also show off her personality more, which didn't happen in CM because she had amnesia for much of it and was barely in Endgame. It probably wouldn't have saved it from underperforming given all the other factors but it *might* have mitigated the affect of not seeing Carol for so many projects (and pre pandemic which seems a lifetime ago to a lot of people). I also agree with those who say it's not necessarily only years absent that matter but the sheer number of things that have come out since we last saw her. Makes it tricky, especially when introducing 2 other characters most of the audience won't know. I'm not sure that there was any one big factor, but lots of different ones, including just complete lack of interest.

Right now there is no DCU Phase 1, even assuming MOS is the big hit its promising to be there is still no Phase 1. Most of the theoretical chatter is about a reaction to the success of TA Justice League movie. But Marvel in 2008 already had TIH and Nick Fury and Stark cameos and were starting to prep for Thor and Cap. DCE has a script they have apparently rejected for JLA and a total flop of a GL movie. Since GL was basically trying to follow the "Iron Man" formula no one should be quick to say a rushed out for 2015 because of TA success would be any good either, despite more "iconic characters". At the moment all JL news is based on rumors since WB hasn't made any official statement DC still hasn't gotten a WW or Flash movie made and Marvel made a credible Thor movie which played it straight with the faux Shakespeareanism and a period Cap movie. Ant-Man and GOTG are going to be a reality before even a World's Finest movie is even publicly in development.

True, it's the most secret mass marketed movie ever.