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and i completely agree with this take! 100%. the only thing i’m suggesting is that for one more film 400 WW might be enough to make WB finish this off. i think comparing Beasts to the grosses of the originals serves no one. Even if FB1 put up numbers within a stones throw, i think if the series could have maintained CoG levels on a similar production budget the studio would have happily made all five. But yes I just think the prospects of the series getting a final movie is something like 40/60 right now.

it kind of does though…the budgets are 35 mil off which is a drop in the bucket when the numbers are that big 165/200), again being a big hit on hbomax is great but pretty irrelevant to box office numbers so far (ie we have no cases where a film came out day in and exponentially grew from a theatrical release). and again, these kinds of accolades are great but just don’t go very far in terms in determining whether a sequel is produced. i can understand why it seems way off to compare them but it isn’t when you make it a numbers game (which is what the studio is going to do).

critics and people are two different things. i don't think this sequel is by any means loved but i think fans of the series feel this film is a stumbling step in the right direction and has its moments. i actually think FB is in a far worse predicament than being hated and that is that most people are indifferent to it. this was the film to have a chance to course correct that and the studio/rowling missed that mark.

lol, it's not about denial. again, i have no real care if a sequel gets made i just think its funny that reception is the thing that you think determines everything. studios make films because they make money. period. i know dune can seem like an out of field comparison, but its not. it's high budget. it's niche. its RISKY. it has a much much smaller built in audience and it's ceiling is unknown. could the pandemic have supressed dunes numbers? absolutely! could that level of recption also be about the ceiling of a high concept sci fi film that will now require you to have seen part 1 to understand part 2, absolutely! i think at this point it could really go either way. the series goes quietly into the night, or wb combines 4 and 5 into one film and sees if they can pocket a little coin, keep the author of their biggest IP in their good graces and move on to whatever is next (because something is inevitably next).

it was enough to guarantee the dune sequel from the same studio.

And that's fine you feel that way but at the end of the day 1. that 35 is negligible in terms of greenlighting a film of that magnitude with a sequel that will cost more and 2. the pandemic itself plus day in release again isn't a guarantee that a Dune sequel will do better. it's certainly a possibility to think 'well COVID numbers will be lower and people can't access it on HBO Max' but there's just as much of chance that people wouldn't have seen Dune AT ALL if Hbo Max wasn't the access point. My point isn't to say some of these predictions are right or wrong I just think some of the logic used is inconsistent to suggest WB would be insane to greenlight a final film.

Will definitely give you the HBO Max release pattern, but I just don't think reception matters all that much when studios are greenlighting these kinds of massive budget niche sequels. In the same way we don't really know the floor for FB, we don't really know the ceiling for Dune. It's a high concept, SCI FI film, which is already a tough sell. its potential is somewhat erroneous to greenlighting a sequel in terms of box office returns and yet they still did, which all im saying, is that the same arguements could be made for a final beasts film. also i want to be clear, i have not loved the FB series. it has major problems, should never ever have been scripted by JK and clearly is not getting the support WB would have hoped for. i just feel like a lot of posters here have lost a space for nuance when discussing the prospects of finishing the series out.

i think yes and no. there's every chance that it could do worse, not doing worse would be the goal, but I also think some of these IPs also have a floor and no one seems to be talking about that. I think we might be near the floor of what a Potter related movie might do at the boxoffice (I mean play the devil's advocate here, FB3 is now the SECOND poorly reviewed Potter movie, coming off a universally hated sequel and it STILL might push 400WW.). but WB might not want to find the floor and back out. i agree with the above post though that says the spin angle here is it might be more embarrassing to not finish with a fourth. i also really believe in the potential of the Grindelwald/Dumbledore battle being enough of a spectacle to at least get the people who have stuck with FB in the theater.

i think if this gets 350-400 WW, they will do a fourth and final chapter. i’m certainly not delusional enough to believe studios care about completing a narrative etc, but I think if one more could pull the same area of numbers (350-400WW), in the end there is a potential for green lighting. I think if we’re getting the Dune sequel, on its results and budget, fiscally there is an argument to be made for a final Beasts film.

All things considered, this is about as good as it was going to do. Still not good for a tent pole with the price tag, but unless it just implodes in the next two weeks, I can see WB giving this a fourth and final installment.

You could definitely be right, I just think there's really not much of a market until DS and my gut feeling is most of the Potter base is going to like this film. I think it will be enough to get that extra 10-15 million domestic.

Pretty much right where most of us thought SoD would land. I think with good reviews and more edited storyline best case was something like 55/160. This will probably land around 42/120. With the dwindling overseas numbers, it probably lands in the 300-350 area. The question now is does WB care enough about the perception of THEIR relationship/support of Rowling to probably make her happy and either do a fourth or see it through. I can't see them making the final two, but I can see them doing one more and throwing everything Potter related-centric they have at the wall to close an ugly chapter. It's a shame, the film is a substantial step up from CoG but even still the film has the identity crisis that has plagued it since the beginning. I thought of the three, this had the most heart, evoked the most emotion, particularly in the opening and closing 20 minutes. He won't be praised for it enough because of the reception of these films and controverseries surrounding them but Jude Law is an EXCEPTIONAL Dumbledore. That really came through in this film.

I actually think 50 million for this would be a huge win. As a massive potter fan, i think this series has so, so much working against it right now. CoG was universally loathed, the Depp Fiasco, the Rowling transphobia and a lot of fans having conflicting emotions about supporting her right now, a story that can't seem to focus on beasts or Grindelwald/Dumbledore history. Best case for this would have been glowing reviews, a start around CoG and a finish around 200. I think with these middle ground reviews and a lot of bad will 50 will actually be tough to hit. 40's seem more likely. Anything above 150 domestic would be a BIG win for this at this point. I have tickets for this next week because I want to judge it for myself and would personally love to see The Great Duel but this should have been a trilogy.

the hollywood reporter gave it a negative review, stopped reading because it was getting into plot points. calls it 'a slog more than an event'. that being said, it looks like overall the response is going to be solid. this really needed reviews of 80% plus to i think come close to CoG domestic numbers, but the initial reactions are giving hope to get the rest of the series made. I think with 450 WW, WB moves forward. My bet is this settles in the 65%-70% range.

yeah that’s a veryyy good hold for S5.

assuming 6.5 is spidey?

lol at people saying this opening is underwhelming in any way. i feel like so many people here cannot get a grip that the pandemic is still raging and CRIPPLING the box office because five marvel films and the halloween sequel bucked the trend. 30 million plus is huge considering the environment and the way the series stumbled with scream 4 (which i loved btw). does horror typically do well in january? absolutely. is it still not a typical january? absolutely. we’re talking about a 25 year old horror series, on its fifth entry, having one of the tenth biggest openings of the past year at the bo and it’s disappointing? aye yai yai. get a grip kids.

this was fucking great. if it weren’t for the slow start i would rank it equal to 2, but the last 45 minutes are EXCELLENT.

whew boy did i love scream 5. hope it eats the next few weeks.

that was quick... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bad-boys-4-works-1269915

It is FANTASTIC. Up there with Booksmart for best of the year. Also if anyone lives near Regals, they have a great deal on their annual subscription this weekend. $60 off.

I still think it ends up fresh even with some problems. The third act does A LOT of good will for the film and I think it will be enough to keep in the mid 60% range.

same here, I think its why I can know I liked it is because clearly they knew were they were heading which always makes the difference. Its weird though, while I found the first hour cluttered and messy I dont think it necessarily needed to be shorter there's just not a lot of vision. there's still needed exposition in those parts they just feel a bit aimless as a whole, if that makes sense. As for the gore I don't remember thinking it's drastically gorier than the first but looking back there was quite a bit.

This is basically my review in a sentence. And yeah that first scene of the kids together is exactly what I meant. I think I would have been much less distracted by older versions of themselves but also don’t really understand why they didn’t just film ALL of the kids scenes a few years ago if they knew it was being split. Guess the production schedule just didn’t allow for it. Yeah ah I think most people here seem to be getting really nervous. I think a lot of people will like it it’s just inevitably going to be compared to Part 1 and it just never reaches those heights. Still a mostly good film though with an excellent climax.

yeah having seen both of those I dont think the divide is THAT large, this just tries more things than the first did and some works and some doesn't.