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On 27/07/2017 at 5:05 PM, Goffe said:
Don't kid yourselves, Nolan would have shot Dunkirk in France no matter what.
As if WB would say no to Nolan because lack of tax incentives
Just found this interview of Dunkirk line producer John Bernard
“ ‘Riviera’ involves 130 shooting days in France, which is clearly happening because of the 30% rate,” says Bernard. “The same thing applies to the Christopher Nolan film, with a six-week shoot on location. Without the 30% rate, this would have been limited to a five-day shoot.”
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12 hours ago, marveldcfox said:
That would be awful for Besson's film.
-50% is a normal drop for this kind of blockbuster, it's so silly the way you seem to enjoy every "dissapointing" number of Valerian. Yes a $200m movie which was the movie of a director lifetime is bombing, so funny isn't it ? A movie that employed more than 1500 people is bombing, let's enjoy that !
What would be awful is this Cars 3 number (it's not happening the movie is gonna do 750k at least I think, it has terrific previews numbers)
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1) Avengers: Infinity War : $510m ($210m)
People will get crazy as Guardians / Thor / Iron Man teamup. Trailer looks good, good potentiel. Will def make more than Civil War.
2) The Incredibles 2 : $480m ($150m)
It's probably the only sequel of a Pixar people always wanted.
3) Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom : $440m ($190m)
Avengers 2 style I think, unnecessary sequel.
4) Han Solo : $380m ($145m)
Less appealing than ROGUE ONE, May release + Jurassic World 2 two weeks after... = bad combo, still solid because of Star Wars
5) Dr. Seuss' The Grinch : $325m ($80m)
The Grinch is probably the most popular noval of Dr Seuss + the power of Illumination = $$$
6) Mary Poppins Returns : $310m ($58m)
Dis-nostalgia will help it, + perfect Christmas movie
7) Deadpool 2 : $290m ($130m)
Still strong, but will disappoint I think, not fresh like the first was anymore.
8) Fantastic Beasts 2 : $255m ($87m)
The first one had great legs, + Dumbledore
9) Ant-Man and the Wasp : $235m ($85m)
The first one had great legs, + the true Civil War sequel ?
10) Aquaman : $215m ($73m)
Weird super-hero + weird release date... Really depends on Justice League.
SpoilerBlack Panther : $210m ($80m)
Mission Impossible 6 : $200m ($70m)
Ralph Breaks the Internet : $200m ($55m)
Tomb Raider : $185m
Ready Player One : $160m
Animated Spider-Man : $155m ($40m)
Dark Phoenix : $150m
Hotel Transylvania 3 : $145mOcean's Eight : $130m
A Wrinkle in Time : $130m
Red Sparrow : $125m
New Mutants : $120m
First Man : $115m
Fifty Shades Freed : $110m
Venom : $105m
Peter Rabbit : $100m
The Nutcracker and the Four Realms : $95m
Maze Runner: The Death Cure : $95mBarbie : $90m
Goosebumps 2 : $90m
The Equalizer 2 : $90m
[...]
Mamma Mia 2 : $83m
Bad Boys for Life : $80m
Skyscraper : $80m
Jungle Book: Origins : $75m
Sherlock Gnomes : $75m
Pacific Rim 2 : $70m
Bumblebee : $70m
Mortal Engines : $65m
Bohemian Rapsody : $60m
Robin Hood : $60m
The Predator : $50m
The Girl in the Spider's Web : $45m
Alita: Battle Angel : $40m
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On 30/07/2017 at 6:18 PM, marveldcfox said:
Germany being somewhat kind to Besson.
France....meh
USA...a big fat middle finger.
You want to trash Valerian so much that what you're saying is absolutely non sense.
How France could be less kind to Besson than Germany with this Valerian opening (second biggest of the year) ?
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3 hours ago, marveldcfox said:
that's what happens when you pre-sell the distribution rights to too many distributors/exhibitors and ask them to promote it. There is no quality control in the marketing. You don't know how your product is being sold and whether it will even get a proper release. Can't just expect to give bare minimum marketing and flood the theatres with showtimes. Then again...it didn't get proper release in many countries including mine where it has maximum 2 shows in best theatres at the worst possible times. Late night and morning. I am unable to catch it in theatres because of this. And to think this was supposed to release in 1000 screens in India...what a load of bollocks.
The thing is, thanks to this method, Europa Corp is not going to bankrupt because of Valerian. They just have to make tinnier movies again in order to have an other hit like Lucy that would gave them an other shot at making blockbuster.
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On 29/07/2017 at 3:01 AM, Twelve said:
This is Luc Besson's only worthwhile film.
Nikita, The Profesionnal, Le Dernier Combat, Subway... No ?
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10 hours ago, marveldcfox said:
Grossed 13.7 million this weekend internationally and 21+ total so far. I wonder what's the breakdown of that number. Doesn't sound good.
Not good at all. But France is not the problem, the problem is other territories..;
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3 hours ago, marveldcfox said:
poo poo
After the opening it got...it should have done $12+ considering it's in 3D.
A 1.3m admissions 5-days is exactly what french boxoffice forum predicted after its first day. Should be around 1.7m for the full week.
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5 hours ago, KeepItU25071906 said:
Any news about Dunkirk's second weekend?
It just end its first week in France (925k admissions, slightly under Interstellar besides a bigger OD... anyway I think the wom should help him to get 2.3/2.5m admissions).
You won't have any news on its second weekend before Monday.
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3 hours ago, dudalb said:
I fully concur.
Trying to give Besson credit for the success of Dunkirk is the silliest thing I have seen so far in this thread.
Fanboyism at it's most ridiculous.
That's not what I'm doing at all. Dunkirk is pure Nolan, and the succes is all his.
But I just wanna tell this little fact that since Luc pushed to make this law voted more en more foreign films are shot in France and it all started with the boxoffice-bomb Valerian. It's funny... I think.
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3 hours ago, marveldcfox said:
Look at Avatar. Twice of TFA. Jesus Christ. That was truly a worldwide phenomenon.
Avatar did 100% better than TFA in France in dollars: but It only did 40% better in admissions (14.75mil vs 10.51mil), I think it shows well the decrease of the exchange rate.
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5 minutes ago, Goffe said:
Don't kid yourselves, Nolan would have shot Dunkirk in France no matter what.
As if WB would say no to Nolan because lack of tax incentives
The president of the CNC (French National Center of Cinema) thinks the tax credits helped it to be shot during more than 5 weeks.
Since the introduction of this tax credit, more than 35 foreign films have been shot in France, a number that has doubled compared to previous years. It is quite possible that without this tax credits the film would have been shot Belgium and / or the Netherlands and a shorter shoot in France.
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2 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:
40m is sill low. I want more. Much more.
Well, it's impossible in France. I mean, Rogue One did $40m...
Basically the top in $ for space operas in French boxoffice is :
1) Avatar : 176m$
2) SW7 : 88m$
3) The Fifth Element : ~~around 60m$
SW3 : 57m$
Rogue One : 40m$
SW2 : 30.6m$
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 : 25m$
Guardians of the Galaxy : 20m$
Prometheus : 16m$
John Carter : 8.9m$
Star Trek ID : 8m$
Star Trek : 6.9m$
Star Trek Beyond : 5.8m$
Jupiter Ascending : 5.5m$
Chronicles of Riddick : 5.2m$
With the current exchange rate that is very unfavorable, we could not expect better!
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Updated Opening Day :
375 400 admissions (Tues: 84k Wed: 290k)
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50 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:
Frontloaded. It seems legs will be like xmen films in North America. Someone tell me I am wrong.
It's absolutely normal in France. Previews started at 7PM so it's normal they are important.
The movie has a shot to do 5mil admissions in France. Maybe $40m. It's great.
The problem is definitely not the French boxoffice.
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Fun Fact:
Dunkirk has completely overshadowed Valerian in the theaters. But do you know that if Dunkerque could be realized as Nolan wished, in France, it is thanks to Luc Besson? By passing a law to increase tax credits for movies shot in English in France, Besson helped foreign films like Dunkerque to be able to be shot in France. It's also this law that helped MI6 to be shot in France !-
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Any prediction for Valerian? Are $50m possible ? Jupiter Ascending did $44m...
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First estimate of the OD :
DESPICABLE ME 3 (BIGGEST OF 2017) : 455 000
VALERIAN : 360 000
FAST & FURIOUS 8 : 312 000
VALERIAN : 360 000
LUCY : 351 000
ARTHUR AND THE INVISIBLE : 316 000
THE FIFTH ELEMENT : 303 000
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DeHaan is a good actor I think. He's just not the right fit when you think about a bad ass major...
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It was unrealistic to think that Valerian could make an incredible score as over $ 50m. The movie is closer to a Star Trek than a Star Wars and when you see the Trek scores in France ... ($6m for Beyond).
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6 minutes ago, marveldcfox said:
Doing less than Lucy and Fifth Element (1997) is not good. Will 3d help its boxoffice gross? DM3 has grossed approx 20M in France after 11.4M opening weekend, which is very bad. So Valerian could end up doing only 15M total in France. MAX 20M.
That's a flop, right?
You are talking about things you know nothing about
The career of DM3 is far from over, it will end up around $30m maybe even $35m. That's exactly what Valerian seems to be able to do, maybe even more.-
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Ok-ish Paris 2PM for Valerian;
2nd biggest of the year
4th biggest of Besson filmography
ARTHUR AND THE INVISIBLES : 11 281 admissions
THE FIFTH ELEMENT: 6 905
LUCY : 6 359
VALERIAN : 5 306It looks like a 1.5m OW to me.
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Ok-ish Paris 2PM for Valerian;
2nd biggest of the year
4th biggest of Besson filmography
ARTHUR AND THE INVISIBLES : 11 281 admissions
THE FIFTH ELEMENT: 6 905
LUCY : 6 359
VALERIAN : 5 306It looks like a 1.5m OW to me.
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3 hours ago, TalismanRing said:
It's attendance at a 9am showing iat this Paris theater is the highest since Force Awakens (540 admissions vs 898 admissions). The comments point out Lucy did 100 more - 640
This is the fourth biggest 9am showing at this theater ever.
Spectre : 1030
TFA : 898
Lucy (Luc Besson was there): 640
Valerian (Luc Besson was there) : 540
Official France Box Office Thread
in International Box Office
Posted · Edited by Bastien
2PM Paris :
1- The Dark Tower (1014 admissions)
3- Annabelle 2 (914 admissions)
Pretty low for both so. The Dark Tower is gonna do 300k admissions this week at best. Very hard to say for Annabelle tho. The first did 926 admissions but it was not during vacations. Conjuring 2 did 2567 admissions at the same hour... But we have to wait for the OD number to be sure...
We have the actual number of the Week (8/2 - 8/8):
source: cine-directors.net
The Apes finally won the week, but Cars 3 was very close and finally is increasing a bit from the second movie. Valerian is doing a ok-ish drop (Wonder Woman did 50%, Dunkirk did 42%).
Despicable Me 3 is now the #1 of the year and will probably keep this position until Star Wars 8 (or maybe "C'est la Vie" the new movie of Intouchables directors could surprise).
Dunkirk is gonna finish around 2.5m it's not bad... but because of the story and the setting in France I was thinking it could come close to 4m...
On monday/tuesday only, Cars 3 was first, Valerian second and Apes was third.
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