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  1. Less than that - 768 days until Dec 17/2021. We'll know by early Dec or maybe earlier if Avatar II is generating some major buzz or major apathy.
  2. $10.8 weekend estimate - down almost 63% and beat by four new releases!!! Forget my previous estimate that it would be hard pressed to reach $75 million domestic, it might come in much lower, (mid 60's ??)
  3. Week#1 Domestic is now in the books. Oct 31 - Thursday previews $2.35 million Nov 1-7 Fri-Thurs = $35.307 million Assuming a 50% weekly drop off TDF will be hard pressed to reach $75 million domestic.
  4. The pain is going to shared. Dark Fate faces losses of $120 million-plus for partners Skydance Media, Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox, which each put up 30 percent of the $185 million budget (Disney, which now owns the Fox film studio, will absorb the loss), sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. China's Tencent has a 10 percent stake.
  5. This is one less thing for Cameron to worry about, Terminator TDF is DOA. Terminator: Dark Fate' Puts Franchise on Ice, Faces $120M-Plus Loss The film bombed in its U.S. debut over the weekend with $29 million. A storied Hollywood film franchise has been terminated — at least for the foreseeable future. Terminator: Dark Fate bombed in its global box office debut over the weekend, grossing just $29 million in the U.S., well behind expectations. Nor was its performance much better overseas, where it has earned $94.6 million to date, including a lackluster China launch of $28 million, for a global total of $123.6 million. Dark Fate faces losses of $120 million-plus for partners Skydance Media, Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox, which each put up 30 percent of the $185 million budget (Disney, which now owns the Fox film studio, will absorb the loss), sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. China's Tencent has a 10 percent stake. The red ink could end up at $130 million if the pic doesn't hold internationally; conversely, the losses could be closer to $110 million if it does have strong legs offshore, sources add. While the losses will be spread around, Dark Fate's surprisingly poor performance is a blow for David Ellison's Skydance, which has spent tens of millions trying to reboot the James Cameron-created series that first hit the big screen in 1984. It's also a blow for Paramount, which needs franchises. Ellison’s first attempt was 2015's Terminator Genisys, released in partnership with Warner Bros. The film, which cost more than $150 million to produce before marketing, grossed $440.6 million globally, so it wasn’t a financial disaster. It earned more than $100 million in China alone, but faltered in the U.S., where it topped out at $89.8 million. Terminator Genisys was supposed to be the first of a trilogy but was reviled by critics. Ellison quickly scrapped the two follow-ups and went back to the drawing board. He arranged for Cameron to come back and produce a movie that would be a direct sequel to the first two films — The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, both of which were directed by Cameron — as well as helped arrange for the return of original series stars Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger. The R-rated Dark Fate was directed by Deadpool helmer Tim Miller. Mackenzie Davis, Natalia Reyes, Gabriel Luna and Diego Boneta also star. Box office analysts say the movie's poor opening is a reflection of complete IP failure. (Insiders at Paramount and Skydance don't disagree.) "It is time to let this franchise finally go to the great beyond," says Eric Handler of MKM Partners. Adds Jeff Bock of Exhibitor Relations, "This is definitely the end of the line for the Terminator franchise in its current iteration. That said, IPs are harder to kill off than Jason Vorhees these days. So, expect a new series in five years on CBS All Access. Probably animated this time." None of the companies involved would comment on the losses, but sources close to Skydance say there are certainly no plans for another film at this point. Ellison acquired the rights to Terminator from his sister, producer Megan Ellison, who bought them for a reported $20 million in 2011. Following the first two films, neither Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) nor Terminator Salvation (2009) were able to reboot the film series, followed by Genisys. Analysts say any company would have tried again, considering the franchise mentality permeating the Hollywood studio system. "The goodwill and brand equity created by the first two Terminator films was arguably undone by the subsequent pre-Dark Fate installments, which may have negatively impacted audience interest in this latest chapter in the series," says Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore. Dark Fate is the second pricey miss in a row for Paramount and Skydance, following Ang Lee's Gemini Man. Skydance is Paramount's financing partner on pics including the Mission: Impossible series and the upcoming Top Gun reboot. Separately, Skydance sold Michael Bay's big-budget 6 Underground, starring Ryan Reynolds, to Netflix for a reported $150 million-plus. Netflix and Skydance are also making The Old Guard, an action pic directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood and starring Charlize Theron, KiK Layne, Marwan Kenzari, Matthias Schoenaerts and Chiwetel Ejiofor. The pic, based on the comic book of the same name, is currently filming.
  6. Snow White had a far better box office mix (no China and $155.3 million domestic) box office return exceeded production budget by about 5%, Alita's mix included $133.3 million from China and $85.7 million domestic, the box office run did not cover its production budget. At least up to this level Snow White was in a much better position financially. Alita domestic ranking for 2019 is 25th - Foreign is 14th.
  7. I'm a little worried about the politics in the upcoming Avatar movies, if they can strike a balance that would ignite debate pro & con on both sides that would be ideal, if Cameron decides to hammer in one specific direction only there could be a problem. The world of 2019-2021 is quite different from 2009, everything has been social media weaponized and balanced/rational discourse has been tossed out the window in favour of grade school insults and a us vs them mentality, right or wrong be damned along with truth and hard facts. Terminator Dark Fate (creative team). Too many cooks in that kitchen...... Writing Credits James Cameron...(story by) & Charles H. Eglee...(story by) & Josh Friedman...(story by) and David S. Goyer...(story by) & Justin Rhodes...(story by) David S. Goyer...(screenplay by) & Justin Rhodes...(screenplay by) and Billy Ray...(screenplay by) Avatar 2 Writing Credits (in alphabetical order) James Cameron...(characters) James Cameron...(screenplay) Josh Friedman...(screenplay) Shane Salerno Avatar 3 Writing Credits (in alphabetical order) James Cameron...(characters) James Cameron...(written by) Rick Jaffa...(written by) Shane Salerno Amanda Silver...(written by)
  8. Leave me out of this, I have no problem criticizing Cameron when it's warranted. Dark Fate is enjoyable enough however it could've been so much better if they spent more time developing the story and using WETA for the CGI.
  9. They had the location but didn't even know what she looked like, in T1 the terminator goes systematically thru the phone book one by one.
  10. They didn't have to go there and was it really necessary for the plot? It's debatable for sure, the refugee issue is a worldwide problem not limited to the US and its southern border. I had major problems buying into the performance of Reyes, she's so physically the opposite of Davis that I can't see her being able to lead anyone in future battles. and now we have this from the Hollywood Reporter James Cameron produced the November tentpole, which is a direct sequel to the filmmaker's first two 'Terminator' films. Paramount and Skydance's Terminator: Dark Fate may not cross the $30 million mark at the North American box office this weekend, as it competes with Halloween festivities. The action movie started its opening weekend run with $2.35 million in Thursday previews and is on track to gross $28 million over its opening weekend, according to Friday estimates. The direct sequel to Terminator: Judgment Day (1991) is directed by Deadpool helmer Tim Miller and produced by James Cameron, creator of the the original Terminator franchise. The R-rated movie reunites Cameron with original stars Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who join new franchise actors Mackenzie Davis, Natalia Reyes, Gabriel Luna and Diego Boneta. Dark Fate was initially tracking to open in the high $30 million to low $40 million range domestically earlier in the week. Overseas, where Disney is releasing the November tentpole, it opens in a raft of major markets, including China. In North America, it rolls out in more than 4,000 theaters, including Imax locales.
  11. Saw it this afternoon, I would give it a soft 3/5. The movie has some issues esp. with the story, ham fisted social commentary and one grave casting error. Out of this series of movies I can only recommend T1 and T2, that's really all that needs to be said about this world. Attendance was poor, maybe 20-25 people at most.
  12. The question is, what is the pulse of today's audience? if a filmmaker is attempting to time the market they are almost guaranteed to fail. We don't know how truly involved Cameron was in writing the script, he didn't visit the set once (unlike Alita), they didn't use WETA as far as I know, he was involved in editing/cutting the movie and apparently got into it with Miller several times during this process (the first Miller only cut was substantially longer). A lot of questions for sure which is why we need to treat Terminator/Alita far differently from Avatar, that's a completely different animal imo in terms of scope/size of production/innovation etc...I can't wait for the ****storm that will be unleashed with that first teaser or trailer.
  13. I interpret that article differently, by the sounds of it Cameron was heavily involved in the final cut of the film and will bear a substantial amount of responsibility, what % of disagreements went in Miller or Cameron's favour only they can tell for sure. JC lost the right to throw Miller under the bus as you say when he got involved in the final edit. Whether people actually go out and see it that's another story. Success or failure is in the hands of moviegoers.
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