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  1. If KFP4 does at least get close to $200M DOM before Garfield arrives….i don’t see why Universal wouldn’t try to push it over there if it gets around $198-199M. It’s not like families are suddenly now avoiding it just so it could finish closer to the second film than the first film. 🤷🏻‍♀️
     

    Heck, Illumination’s The Lorax got over that mark back in 2012, with lower reception though granted that was an original non-sequel animated film.

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  2. Speaking of older movies that needs another theatrical re-release to hit a certain special box office milestone, The Lion King (the 1994 original 2D-animated film) would be a perfect 90’s film to bring back in theaters for nostlagia’s sake, in order for it to be pushed to $1B+ WW, since it’s only $32M WW left to that mark. Considering the film celebrates it’s 30th anniversary this year (since it’s a 30 year old Disney movie), it would make perfect sense to re-release the film in theaters to both an old audience of adults who want to relive the old theatrical experience of seeing that film back in previous theatrical releases when they were young (1994, 2002, 2011) and to a new audience of kids who have never seen the original TLK in theaters.

     

    Jurassic Park got theatrical re-releases enough for that film to get over $1B+ WW, so why not try this with the original ”The Lion King”?

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  3. 9 minutes ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

    How to train your dragon 2 domestic run was just so bizzare to me. Some projections had it as high as 325m Dom final.

    OS came  through for it though same as panda 2.

     

     

    Yeah. It’s not like there was any other big animated film that summer of 2014, that would steal Dragon 2’s thunder or cut it’s legs off. Even Planes 2 which came in July, wasn’t really a big animated film to begin with. So what other movie prevented HTTYD2 from grossing $200M+ DOM or increasing from the first film’s numbers, despite this being another great animated sequel? Who knows? 🤷🏻‍♀️

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    I think that was partially a by-product of the change in popularity of animation brands that was happening at the time. The 2000s were PIXAR vs DW with everyone else a very distant third.

    During 2010 in the shadow of TS3 and Shrek 4, Illumination broke out with Despicable Me and WDAS had a comeback with Tangled. The tide shifted quickly after that and suddenly Princesses and Minions were all the rage, while PIXAR and DW started feeling a bit played out for a time.

    To be fair to Pixar though, some of their biggest animated sequels like Finding Dory, Incredibles 2 & Toy Story 4 did increase over their previous films. First two being first sequels that increased big (or insanely huge in Incredibles 2’s case), and one fourthquel that had a small but sure bump from the third film.

     

    And so far even after 6 years, Incredibles 2 still holds the golden crown as the highest grossing animated film in DOM-gross. With Illumination’s The Super Mario Bros Movie being a close second silver place.

  5. 1 hour ago, grim22 said:

    KFP2 was a favourite to win that summer IIRC. Opening the same day as Hangover 2 just smashing the old R-rated OW record hurt it for sure.

    True. Despite those two being counter-programming on the same weekend in terms of the types of films they are (One comedy sequel that is R-rated and more for adults, while the other is an animated sequel for the families), Kung Fu Panda 2 did not make over $200M+ DOM like the film it competed against (The Hangover: Part 2).

     

    Fortunately for Dreamworks, they did have an animated sequel the year after (2012), that DID overshadow the R-rated summer blockbuster, when Madagascar 3: Europe’s Most Wanted vastly beat out the sci-fi horror film “Prometheus” by a landslide. And that was 12 years ago! So much has passed. 🤯

  6. 1 hour ago, Chaz said:

    I was not at all surprised about Kung Fu Panda 3, but Kung Fu Panda 2 really shocked me. It had a prime release date, fantastic reviews, yet opened and grossed well below the first. 
     

    It’s such a great movie.

    Exactly! And the fact that the ending scene in the second film really showed that Po’s biological dad (Li Shan) was indeed alive and that there was the panda village which was fully utilized in the third film. 👩🏻‍💼🤩

     

    Panda 2 had a lot of box office momentum after the first film. A well-liked first film, first animated film in the summer of 2011….and yet never got even close to KFP1’s DOM gross. Granted it beat the first film’s WW-gross, thanks to OS…but it never went close or even way above it’s predecessor in the domestic market. 😢😔

     

    Considering we have seen big animated sequels to first films increase a lot.

    Shrek < Shrek 2

    Despicable Me < Despicable Me 2

    Toy Story < Toy Story 2

    Frozen < Frozen 2

     

    And then we have well-liked animated sequels that didn’t increase but rather decreased, DOM-wise.

    This and another critically liked Dreamworks sequel “How To Train Your Dragon 2” which came out in 2014 (three years after Panda 2).

     

    What did those two animated sequels not have that the ones (that did increase from their first films) did have? Despite those said two sequels being more fueled by emotional storytelling. 🤔

  7. 8 minutes ago, Minnale101 said:

    Especially with no furious 5, like they took 5 out of 7 main characters away

     

    kung fu panda was always big tik tok, I think being on Netflix for good while helped 

     

    demographic 18-24 really came out big 

     

    85 million budget and on pace 600-650 million total gross, big profits 

     

    can only imagine shrek 5 

    The best way Shrek 5 could be huge if the film is as beloved as the first two films and Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish. Plus that DWA could make the 5th film appeal to a new generation of kids who’s never seen any Shrek film before (aside from PiB2), which is our generation, and that they do more new elements and ideas with it.

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  8. 9 minutes ago, Minnale101 said:

    Kung fu panda franchise has been on steady decline domestically 

     

    1st did 215 million, 2nd did 166 million and 3rd did 143 million 

     

    china kept 3rd one afloat

     

    getting back to 200 million especially when budget is 40% less than 2nd and 3rd 

     

    it’s remarkable 

     

     

    Not gonna lie, I was one of the only true believers (as a genuinely huge fan of the franchise) for the third film to breakout in a dead January 2016 (eight years ago), where there were nothing else in the scale of how much box office-wise the previous KFP-films before then, have performed. I even made clubs about it. And overperform on a grand scale, no less. 😬🥶👩🏻‍💼

     

    And while the reception for KFP3 was high (with 87% critic rating on RT), the box office for that film didn’t really justify the critical praise it recieved. So good of a movie and yet Panda 3 underperformed in relative to the insane, yet hopefully box office predictions I had for it at the time.

     

    Thankfully Panda 4 finally did/is doing things what the other two sequels couldn’t do:

    A. Open over $50M+
    B. Be on it’s way to $200M+ DOM due to no animated competition until late May.

    C. Be the hit DWA needed after the total flop of Ruby Gillman. Trolls 3 did a bit better in theaters though nothing overly spectacular.

     

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  9. These box office numbers for KFP4, are finally going up for the franchise. 😎🤩🙆🏻‍♀️💁🏻‍♀️

     

    Considering the previous two films didn’t increase with each entry.

     

    Especially with KFP2 back in 2011. That film had lots of things going for it. Being the first animated film in the summer season, goodwill from the first film and being the one animated sequel that fans and families was excited for the most. And while that film was well-received by critics and became the highest grossing animated film that year in worldwide numbers ($665M), it somehow never got the numbers of the first film or even above it like a mini-“Shrek 2” kind of bump DOM-wise, just $165M. $50M less than the first film’s $215M.

     

    And that film is arguably the one KFP-sequel that fans love the most. So what went wrong with that second film in the U.S at the time, box office-wise? 😢

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  10. 1 hour ago, kayumanggi said:

    I have just seen this and I was shocked this was just made for 85M. This has some of the most beautiful fight sequences in the whole series. I wish it was longer, but I enjoyed this a lot. I think this will do better than the last one domestically and worldwide.

    Yes! I hope so too. 🤩😎 🐼

     

    It better do better than the previous one at the box office, and i think it will thrive and have life at the box office. Considering there’s no other animated film for Panda to compete with for almost over two months until Garfield in May.

     

    My inner love for this franchise is warming up even more. Go, Po! Go, Po! 🙆🏻‍♀️🤩

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  11. 1 hour ago, justnumbers said:

    Not happening. China won't deliver. And the last one made over 100M there. I would lower expectations to 200M-300M

    Is this more because of the apathy towards this film that it seems to be getting pre-release, the soft presales and marketing it gets so far, or that BOT surprisingly enough don’t want this film to be good and do well enough to ensure DWA’s future? Or is it more realistically speaking that no matter how good it is, it will suffer diminishing returns for being the one as the “nothing-burger” of high profile animated sequels”?

     

    I’m feeling that your numbers indicate that this will be the animated film sequel of the year nobody will care about (financially speaking) and that the moviegoers are avoiding on purpose just to save their money for other better animated films, no matter if this one is even as good as the previous ones. 🤔


    No surprise breakout, just the same as the previous sequel, lower numbers with nothing extraordinary. A dull middle of the road box office run.

     

  12. $600-620M+ seems like good numbers for it. If it gets the Toy Story-sequel reception, then it could go higher. And as I noticed, Pixar interestingly enough never had a movie in their film lineup that made over $700M+ OS or higher than that. Since the highest OS gross for a Pixar film is Toy Story 3 with $652M OS which was 14 years ago, and that still has the record for the highest OS gross of any Pixar film. Not even the massively hyped and beloved Incredibles 2 could top it, despite that film’s robust $608M DOM.

     

    However, if Inside Out 2 is treated as the grand return of the beloved and hugely successful Pixar (and I love the first film), then I have no exact idea how much higher it can go.

     

    Though to be safe, I’ll go with over $600M+ OS for now.

  13. Interesting animated to see and analyze how high the OS numbers we could see for this one.

     

    If we’re counting the Minions movies as well, they made money as well. First one did nearly $825M OS, and “Rise of Gru”, while dropped from it’s predecessor, still made a hefty $570M+ OS overall.

     

    And considering that Illumination is on a roll with their recent movies like the animated video game adaption “The Super Mario Bros Movie” (that made a staggering $787M OS) and to a lesser extent the original “Migration”, DM4 is probably one of the safest contenders to be a blockbuster this year.

     

    DOM-wise, we could see the fourth film do more than the third one, due to how impressive Rise of Gru’s $370M was, and that one was Illumination’s biggest film DOM for nearly year until Mario topped it. Though DM4 might not top Gru numbers, I think above $320-330M+ DOM is a safe choice.

     

    As for OS…..I think it does really great enough if audience don’t want to see superhero movies or so.

     

    So I’ll say….in between DM2 & DM3. But leaning towards the latter, considering it is still a huge franchise…I’ll go with over around $720-750M OS. Maybe it could go higher and even top the third film, if it’s a better and more well-liked film…but I’ll safely stick with $750M at the maximum. A safe $1B+ WW film if it gets there.

  14. Considering this is the first big animated film in months since “Migration”, and that the good reception of the KFP-franchise is pretty consistent, hopefully being the first animated film in a while will help this do big enough numbers OS.
     

    Can’t go as insane as I was with predicting the previous film, but I will say that around $400-430M OS for this film could be doable, if the quality is there and gets there by good WOM. A la “Puss in Boots 2: The Last Wish” quality, but with bigger OS-numbers.

     

    And I know I’m easily in the minority that has so much faith in this franchise being good and…well, successful enough to keep Dreamworks going. But I am a believer and fan of the movies, even if I’m alone on this.

     

    So, $400M+. Hopefully higher, but I don’t wanna get burned badly by another overpredictions that could disappoint with underperforming results again. I’ll stay conservative.

  15. It might be considered a hot take or if i’m alone on this but….i really liked this trailer. Maybe it’s me but i feel like there are audiences who genuinely cares about this franchise (myself included). I loved the previous three KFP films and considers this franchise as one of the most underrated mainstream animated franchises up there with the Madagascar films & the HTTYD-films (two other Dreamworks animated franchises).

     

    While the ”Kung Fu Panda”-films sadly never had the same success & popularity as the Frozen-films & the Despicable Me/Minions films box office wise, the quality and the critical reception has always been there for these films.

     

    Though i admitedly overestimated the third film’s box office chances big time. Since I said that film was gonna be one of the biggest films of 2016 and dominate, and instead…I got burned badly by that film’s box office underperformance. Also keep in mind, that was during the time when animated franchise films from Disney/Pixar & Illumination were massive hits and the same year where Disney’s Zootopia broke out, released not long after KFP3. So I can’t predict overly insane numbers for this one.

     

    With that said though, I still think there’s a bit of box office life in these movies, even if they aren’t on “Frozen” levels. In fact, I got mocked when I was told that a fourth film would not happen and wouldn’t exist and yet here we are, eight years later.
     

    Also I see complaints here that this fourth film (in a Dreamworks-animated franchise, no less) is being called/or likely to be called “unnecessary”, “pointless” & “not worth checking out” or such because of the first trailer. You know what other fourth film in an animated was met with the same complaints before that film’s release? Pixar’s Toy Story 4! That one was also met with criticisms that it was too “unnecessary”, “pointless” and such, and that it would destroy how the third film concluded…..and yet that film’s highly acclaimed quality and reception overcame all those complaints and made $434M DOM and over 1.07 billion worldwide.

     

    And while I can’t see KFP4 do the numbers that TS4 made, I still think that families and fans of the franchise as a whole will be there enough to make it a success this time. I do genuinely hope it’s as great as the previous films and that it makes more money than the third film to get Dreamworks Animation close to the top again. Also, it’s the first big mainstream animated film of 2024, and by then it would more than two months since Illumination’s Migration, that families would turn out for a new animated film for a change.

     

    I do hope for the best for this film and I also hope it’s a breakout this time. Since I’m that huge of a fan of this franchise and I hope there’s life in it when it comes out.

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