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  1. 1964

     

    -My Fair Lady 60 m *

    Hard case. Due to this reason that is explained in the book "The Hollywood Story" of Joel Waldo. 

     

    These figures are estimates only and are occasionally revised, years later, as happened with My Fair Lady (WB, 1964), which was reduced from rentals of $32  million to $12 million ten years after it was first released.

     

    But at the end of 1997 Variety published a ranking of all time rental-champs and "My Fair Lady" was with 34 millions. So who was wrong? What is the real number? I don't know. But the trigger to opt for the 30 millions of rentals (as the 2-4 millions more alredy belong to re-issues in 1971 and 1973) has been his career in charts of the season 1964/1965. 15 weeks in number one. And more of 40 weeks in the top 10. Such a career like this supposes a lot more than 26 million tickets (in case there have been 12 millions rentals). 

     

    -Mary Poppins 61,72 m *

    Maybe it got some more tickets in his initial run. But with the Disney movies is very difficult to reach an exact approximation with so much re-issues. Mary Poppins was the perfect finale for Walt Disney before his death. 5 oscars. And at the end of 1965 was at number 5 in all-time chart (in domestic rentals). And "My Fair Lady" at number 6.

     

    In fact, both films were practically tied in terms of revenue in USA and overseas. But I've always liked "Mary Poppins" more. Let's hope that the sequel is up to the original. 

     

       

     

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  2. 1 hour ago, Joel M said:

    Really interesting stuff. Is there a way to find about re-releases of the older movies? Because those insane numbers for 10 commandmends, Ben Hur, Dr. Zhivago look very sketchy.

    Thanks, Joel M. In the sources that I mentioned in the thread there are data of re-issues. I also collect informations from books, forum and old websites. This site is also very useful: 

     

    https://ameblo.jp/ayumi-niwano/entry-12249286244.html

     

    And the numbers of "The ten commandments", "Ben Hur" and 2Dr. Zhivago" are not so insane. I will investigate a little more about them. Keep in mind that they were the "Titanics" of his time.  

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  3. 1972

     

    -"What's up, Doc?" Less than 30 millions of tickets.

    It was re-issued in 1975 (and in 1973 according imdb).

     

    -The Godfather 78,64 millions

    It is a fact that "The Godfather" was for a brief period of time the highest grossing film of all time. 
    But if we refer to the rentals (which ranged between 81.50 million and 85.70 million dollars). I believe that in late 1972 
    "Gone with the wind" (with their multiple re-issues) and "The sound of music" had higher grosses than "The Godfather". 
    But not too much. The distance between them was minimal.  And in fact I think that maybe these high incomes confuse 
    the analysts. As the total gross of its initial release appears in all sources as $ 133,698,921. 
    Which gives us a total of 78,646,400 tickets.Even so a very respectable figure.
    
    Case similar to that of Batman (1989) who made 150 million in income but his total collection was 250 million. Not 300 million.
    
    Most of the time the rentals suppose the 45-50% of the total gross. But it's not always like this. 
    There are cases in which they assume up to 60% like "Batman" and "The Godfather".
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  4. 1974

     

    -Young Frankenstein (Initial Run)

    Rentals: $30,000,000 

    Gross: $61,194,000 *

    Tickets: 30,597,000 *

     

    Re-Issue in 1977

    Rentals: $8,000,000 

    Gross: $16,318,000 *

    Tickets: 7,317,000 *

     

    Re-Issue in 1979

    Rentals: $4,297,000 

    Gross: $8,765,000 *

    Tickets: 3,492,000 *

     

    Total Rentals: 42,297,000

    Total Gross: $86,277,000 

    Total Tickets: 41,406,000 *

     

    * Estimations

     

    -Blazing Saddles

     

    This title is one of the most complicated. His total gross is $119,500,000. But this movie has 2 succesful re-issues. The first in 1976 with $13,850,000 rentals and in 1979 with $8,000,000 rentals. 

     

    If we rest these re-issues (estimating the grosses) we have an initial gross of $75,800,000 in 1974. With 40,534,000 tickets sold. 

     

    But it was reported that in 1974 was have $16,500,000 rentals in his initial run. Less than half of the $47,800,000 total income that is said to reach. Something's not right. 

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  5. I'm going to examine some titles that maybe are a bit swollen. Let's start with 1979.

     

    -Kramer vs. Kramer

    Rentals: $59,986,335

    Gross: $106,260,000

    No re-issues

     

    $106,260,000 : 2.60 * = 40,86 millions of admissions

    Taking into account that it premiered in december of 1979 and the real boom was during 1980.

     

    -Star Trek 

    Rentals: $35,000,000 *

    Gross: $82,258,456

    No re-issues

     

    32,77 millions of admissions as indicated by mojo. 

     

    * Some sources say that made 56 millions of rentals. But i think it must be a swolle figure. There are similar cases like "My Fair lady". 

     

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  6. Films that maybe not surpassed 30 millions in his initial release

    1936

    SAN FRANCISCO (was re-issued in 1948)

     

    1942

    CASABLANCA (was re-issued in 1949)

     

    1961

    THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR (was re-issued in 1967 and 1975)

     

    Corrections

    1939

    GONE WITH THE WIND 59,50 m (from user Arlo)

     

    1940

    BOOM TOWN 33,28 m (was re-issued in 1947)

     

    1943

    FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS 46,34 m (was re-issued in 1945)

     

    1946

    THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES 59,42 m (was re-issued in 1954)

    DUEL IN THE SUN 57,14 m (was re-issued in 1954)

     

    1949

    SAMSON AND DELILAH 42,65 m (was re-issued in 1959)

     

    1951

    QUO VADIS 40,56 m (was re-issued in 1964)

     

    1954

    20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA 40 m

     

    1956

    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS 131 m

    AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS 80 m

     

    1959

    BEN-HUR 132,94 m (was re-issued in 1969)

     

    1961

    WEST SIDE STORY 47,10 m (was re-issued in 1968 and 1971)

    THE PARENT TRAP 30,32 (was re-issued in 1968)

     

    1962

    LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 42,82 m (was re-issued in 1971 and 1989)

     

    1973

    AMERICAN GRAFFITI 56,13 m (was re-issued in 1978)

     

    1974

    THE TOWERING INFERNO 59,18 m

    EARTHQUAKE 42,62 m

     

    1977

    STAR WARS 120,68 m

     

    Here you have the corrections. 

    You can all participate or correct. I'm sure I was wrong in some film.

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  7. 1970

    LOVE STORY 66,49 m *

    AIRPORT 64,82 m ****

    M*A*S*H 42,19 m *

    PATTON 39,83 ****

     

    1971

    BILLY JACK 56,09 m *

    FIDDLER ON THE ROOF 41,85 m *

    THE FRENCH CONNECTION 31,33 m ****

     

    1972

    THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE 48,73 m *

    WHAT’S UP, DOC? 38,82 m ****

     

    1973

    THE STING 81,65 m *

    THE EXORCIST 81,17 m *

     

    1974

    THE TOWERING INFERNO 56,58 m *

    THE TRIAL OF BILLY JACK 46,88 m *

    BLAZING SADDLES 45,63 m *

    YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN 42,08 m *

     

    1975

    JAWS 100,50 m *

    ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW 55,06 m ****

    ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST 53,68 m ****

     

    1976

    ROCKY 55,04 m ****

    A STAR IS BORN 35,87 m *

    ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN 33,14 m ****

     

    1977

    CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND 65,92 m *

    SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER 57,48 m *

    SMOKEY AND THE BANDIT 56,83 m ****

    THE GOODBYE GIRL 37,53 m *

     

    1978

    GREASE 70,86 m ****

    NATIONAL LAMPOON’S ANIMAL 51,32 m ****

    JAWS 2 43,98 m *

    EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE 38,32 m *

    HOOPER 30 m *

     

    1979

    THE AMITYVILLE HORROR 34,43 m ****

    ROCKY II 33,93 m ****

     

     

    When I have time I will look to correct some data that could be wrong maybe.
    
    Maybe surprise the data from movies like "The exorcist" or "Jaws". But it is for
    the reason that they had re-releases that have been ignored by many. And in
    
    fact it is difficult to find information. For example "Jaws" was re-released in

    (when it had been months out of theaters) 1976 and 1979.

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  8. I offer you new additions. Some based on my estimates. Other blog excerpts: 
    https://boxofficemadness.wordpress.com/ (this blog is the closest thing to boxofficechampions that
    can be found today, in fact it has very similar and very consistent data). Other by user Walt Disney. 
    And the last ones of Box Office Mojo (that sometimes I agree).

     

    1953

    THE ROBE (1953) 60 m (millions of admissions) *

    FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (1953) 47,46 m ***

    SHANE (1952) 32,90 m *

     

    1954

    WHITE CHRISTMAS (1954)  58,13 *

    THE CAINE MUTINY (1954)  42,13 m *

    20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA (1954) 35,55 m **

    THE GLENN MILLER STORY (1954) 31,11 m **

     

    1955

    BATTLE CRY 34,80 m *

    OKLAHOMA 31,55 m *

    LADY AND THE TRAMP 31,48 m *

     

    1956

    AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS 88 m **

    GIANT  56 m **

     

    1957

    PEYTON PLACE  46 m **

     

    1958

    SOUTH PACIFIC 73,60 m *

    AUNTIE MAME  38,89 m *

    CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF 35,14 m **

     

    1959

    THE SHAGGY DOG 30,58 m *

     

    1960

    SPARTACUS 40,39 m **

    PSYCHO 38,47 m *

    EXODUS 32,67 m **

    THE ALAMO 31,05 m **

     

    1961

    101 DALMATIANS 39,49 m *

    THE GUNS OF NAVARONE 41,07 m *

    THE PARENT TRAP 35,70 m *

    THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR 32,17 m *

     

    1963

    CLEOPATRA 61,17 m **

    TOM JONES 43,39 m *

    IT’S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD  44,25 m *

     

    1964

    MARY POPPINS 55,91 m *

    THE CARPETBAGGERS 33,33 **

     

    1965

    THE SOUND OF MUSIC 135,57 m *

     

    1966

    HAWAII 31,10 m *

     

    1967

    THE GRADUATE 79,68 m *

    GUESS WHO’S COMING TO DINNER  43,25 m ****

    THE DIRTY DOZEN 36,51 m *

    TO SIR WITH LOVE 34,69 *

    VALLEY OF THE DOLLS 33,33 m **

     

    1968

    FUNNY GIRL 40 m ****

    2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 35,77 m *

    THE ODD COUPLE 33,28 m *

    THE LOVE BUG 32,23 *

    BULLITT 31,61 m *

     

    1969

    BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 44,82 m *

    MIDNIGHT COWBOY 31,53 m ****

     

    * My estimations

    ** From boxofficemadness

    *** From user Walt Disney

    **** From Box Office Mojo

     

     

    As I said before, I only consider initial releases. (With exceptions such as "Gone wtith the wind" or
    "Star Wars" that had initial re-releases so close (that sometimes there are only months or even
    days of distance) of their initial run that many consider it as one.
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  9. First of all, I hope you will excuse me for my bad English.


    First of all, I hope you will excuse me for my bad English. But I think it is time to reach a consensus on the most viewed movies (based on admissions) between 1915 and 1930. I have been researching this topic for many years. Box Office Mojo is very well in data questión from 1980 to the present. But before 1980 it has inflated, erroneous and insuffient data. That's why I'd like you to help me with this topic. I will expose (according to the time that I have) data that I have been found. And I hope you can correct me. Because I'm sure more than one will be wrong.

     

    At the moment I will expose the data that I could save from this blog before it was privatized and disappeared a short time later.

     

    http://boxofficechampions.wordpress.com

     

    To see if with luck and your help we can get to discover what were the movies (in its initial run) that really exceeded 30 million admissions.

     

    TOTAL ADMISSION TICKETS OF THE 1910s and of 1920s

    Rank

    Film – Actors

    Year

    Tickets

    1

    THE BIRTH OF A NATION Lillian Gish, Mae Marsh

    1915

    66.000.000

    2

    HEARTS OF THE WORLD D.W. Griffith, David Lloyd George

    1918

    41.052.632

    3

    THE BIG PARADE John Gilbert, Renée Adorée

    1925

    37.931.785

    4

    WAY DOWN EAST Lillian Gish, Richard Barthelmess

    1920

    37.142.857

    5

    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS Theodore Roberts, Charles de Rochefort

    1923

    34.739.917

    6

    THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE Rudolph Valentino, Alice Terry

    1921

    34.545.455

    7

    BEN-HUR Ramon Novarro, Francis X. Bushman

    1925

    33.915.807

    8

    THE COVERED WAGON J. Warren Kerrigan, Lois Wilson

    1923

    33.300.000

     

    TOTAL ADMISSION TICKETS OF THE 1930s

    Rank

    Film – Actors

    Year

    Tickets

    1

    GONE WITH THE WIND Clark Gable, Vivien Leigh 

    1939

    61.521.739*

    2

    SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS Animated

    1937

    36.000.000*

    3

    MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON James Stewart, Jean Arthur

    1939

    30.434.783

    4

    SAN FRANCISCO Clark Gable, Jeanette MacDonald 

    1936

    30.286.944

     

    TOTAL ADMISSION TICKETS OF THE 1940s


     

    Rank

    Film – Actors

    Year

    Tickets

    1

    THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES Fredric March, Myrna Loy 

    1946

    64.570.000

    2

    DUEL IN THE SUN Jennifer Jones, Joseph Cotten

    1946

    64.570.000

    3

    THIS IS THE ARMY George Murphy, Joan Leslie

    1943

    57.248.276

    4

    SAMSON AND DELILAH Hedy Lamarr, Victor Mature

    1949

    50.000.000

    5

    SERGEANT YORK Gary Cooper, Walter Brennan 

    1941

    49.085.680

    6

    FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS Gary Cooper, Ingrid Bergman

    1943

    48.965.517

    7

    GONE WITH THE WIND Clark Gable, Vivien Leigh [Re-issue]*

    1939

    48.709.630*

    8

    THE BELLS OF ST. MARY’S Bing Crosby, Ingrid Bergman

    1945

    45.714.286

    9

    THE JOLSON STORY Larry Parks, Evelyn Keyes 

    1946

    43.428.571

    10

    GOING MY WAY Bing Crosby, Barry Fitzgerald

    1944

    40.625.000

    11

    MRS. MINIVER Greer Garson, Walter Pidgeon

    1942

    39.925.993

    12

    BOOM TOWN Clark Gable, Spencer Tracy

    1940

    38.220.125

    13

    YANKEE DOODLE DANDY James Cagney, Joan Leslie

    1942

    34.960.600

    14

    WELCOME STRANGER Bing Crosby, Joan Caulfield 

    1947

    34.857.143

    15

    RANDOM HARVEST Ronald Colman, Greer Garson 

    1942

    34.559.267

    16

    BLUE SKIES Fred Astaire, Bing Crosby

    1946

    32.571.429

    17

    THE SONG OF BERNADETTE Jennifer Jones, Charles Bickford 

    1943

    32.420.690

    18

    MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS Judy Garland, Margaret O’Brien

    1944

    32.076.263

    19

    THE YEARLING Gregory Peck, Jane Wyman

    1946

    31.816.114

    20

    LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN Gene Tierney, Cornel Wilde

    1945

    31.457.143

    21

    THE EGG AND I Claudette Colbert, Fred MacMurray 

    1947

    31.428.571

    22

    SINCE YOU WENT AWAY Claudette Colbert, Jennifer Jones

    1944

    30.779.725

    23

    CASABLANCA Humphrey Bogart, Ingrid Bergman

    1942

    30.705.022

    24

    UNCONQUERED Gary Cooper, Paulette Goddard 

    1947

    30.000.000

     

    And then data that I have been able to discover from filmographies of this blog (based on web archive captures).

     

    1951

    QUO VADIS Robert Taylor, Deborah Kerr

    44.911.932

    1952 THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH James Stewart, Charlton Heston 1 6 52.830.189

    1955

    MISTER ROBERTS Henry Fonda, James Cagney

    1

    5

    37.770.000

    1955

    GUYS AND DOLLS Marlon Brando, Frank Sinatra

    1

    8

    30.554.111

    1956

    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS Charlton Heston, Yul Brynner

    1

    14

    136.800.0

    1956

    THE KING AND I Yul Brynner, Deborah Kerr

    1

    4

    34.000.000

    1957

    THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI Alec Guinness, William Holden

    1

    7

    68.780.000

    1957

    SAYONARA Marlon Brando, Miiko Taka

    1

    5

    42.000.000

    1959 BEN-HUR Charlton Heston, Jack Hawkins 1 33 145.067.012 

    1959

    OPERATION PETTICOAT Cary Grant, Tony Curtis

    1

    3

    36.555.118

    1959

    SOME LIKE IT HOT Marilyn Monroe, Tony Curtis

    1

    7

    31.873.863

    1959

    PILLOW TALK Doris Day, Rock Hudson

    1

    7

    30.078.431

    1961

    WEST SIDE STORY Natalie Wood, Richard Beymer

    1

    13

    56.943.681

    1961 EL CID Charlton Heston, Sophia Loren 3 34.782.609 

    1962

    LAWRENCE OF ARABIA Peter O’Toole, Alec Guinness

    1

    4

    59.788.339

    1962

    THE LONGEST DAY John Wayne, Robert Mitchum

    1

    4

    50.285.714

    1963

    HOW THE WEST WAS WON James Stewart, Debbie Reynolds

    1

    12

    49.253.842

    1964

    GOLDFINGER Sean Connery, Gert Fröbe

    1

    7

    49.457.432

    2

    1965

    DOCTOR ZHIVAGO Omar Sharif, Julie Christie

    1

    13

    120.700.990

    1965

    THUNDERBALL Sean Connery, Claudine Auger

    1

    9

    56.676.107

    3

    1967

    BONNIE AND CLYDE Warren Beatty, Faye Dunaway

    2

     

    38.000.000

    1967

    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE Sean Connery, Akiko Wakabayashi

    1

    6

    32.314.487

    7

    1972

    THE GODFATHER Marlon Brando, Al Pacino

    1

    26

    101.500.000

    1973

    AMERICAN GRAFFITI Richard Dreyfuss, Ron Howard

    4

     

    62.291.723

    1974 EARTHQUAKE Charlton Heston, Ava Gardner 2 38.342.240 

    1976

    KING KONG Jeff Bridges, Jessica Lange

    1

    5

    34.661.972

    3

     

     

    STAR WARS – Admission Tickets Analysis

         

    YEAR

    RELEASE

       

    TICKETS

    1977

    First Run

    1

    20

    87.892.377

    1978

    Re-Issue

    1

    1

    32.799.145

    1979

    Re-Issue

    1

    1

    9.193.625

     

    1978

    SUPERMAN Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder

    1

    11

    57.358.127

    1978

    HEAVEN CAN WAIT Warren Beatty, Julie Christie

    2

     

    42.222.000

    1979

    KRAMER VS. KRAMER Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep

    1

    10

    47.797.876

    1979

    STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy

    1

     

    44.621.514

    1979

    ALIEN Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skerritt 

    1

    3

    32.441.058

    1979

    APOCALYPSE NOW Martin Sheen, Marlon Brando

    3

     

    30.263.078

     

    Missing titles will send them out when you can. Based on data from other sources (or mine estimates).

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  10. Very interesting. But perhaps the gross was an incomplete estimate or referred to rentals. Thank you very much. It is a pity that in those times they measured the success of a movie for rents and not for the number of spectators.

    The page that I mentioned had tops of each year with the exact number of admissions of each film (that exceeds 10 million) from 1914 until 1951. And also has its merit. But I will not take away the merit from you because it shows that like me you investigate a lot.

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