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3 minutes ago, TServo2049 said:
Well, Nolan’s right on schedule for another time-and/or-reality-bending movie. Inception was in 2010, and Memento was in 2000.
True, providing a good start of a new decade of films.
2010s has been a relatively down decade I think, may the 2020s be better.
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3 hours ago, infamous5445 said:
God Twitter and Reddit is a cesspool now that there's a new #1. At this rate Avatar 2 should make 3 billion just to shut everyone the hell up.
Didn't bother with Twitter, Reddit though from what I've seen has been quite kind to Cameron and Avatar, at least in r/boxoffice
One of the side effect of Avatar unloading the worldwide crown, is that some of the unjustified hatred is also being unloaded. I predict a sudden spur of new found appreciation for Avatar, I think it has already started.
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On 7/20/2019 at 8:26 PM, Alli said:
so there are more videos on youtube of cars moving backwards. it seems this is indeed a sci-fi movie of some sorts.
I'd prefer that way, more interesting than just being an action spy film.
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1 hour ago, Porthos said:
What happens if the 2D:3D split for DOM showings is 20:80 instead of what seems to be the new norm of 80:20? Sure, there's the wow and spectacle angle, so don't worry I ain't discounting that. But I also was kinda expecting a decent sized uptick on 3D for TLK and I didn't see that in local sales. Which... makes me curious. Not doubtful (I learned a LONG time ago to never doubt JC). Not skeptical (ditto). Just curious.
Can/will Avatar 2/3/4/5 reignite a 3D preference, at least for his films? Will the 2D:3D screen split be mandated to be heavily 3D? I'm really really curious to see how it all plays out. Fascinated, even.
I think the best strategy for Avatar 2 is to have a 50:50 or so 2D/3D ratio domestically and let audiences pick. There's no doubt that even in domestic Market, Avatar 2 will have a higher premium showing percentage than most if not all other blockbusters, people will be very aware of the visual spectacle nature of upcoming Avatar films. 3D may be on the decline domestically, but once in a while, there's got to be an exception (Gravity for example).
80:20 3D ratio might discourage some ticket buyers though, wouldn't want that.
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Dudalb likes Cameron...
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14 minutes ago, Nero said:
There is no such list as GOAT director lmao. How do you expect people to rank him when it doesn't exist. Also how will you rank a director? Based on his last credentials or selecting a genre movie or based on BO number or using Oscars? It's hard and I don't think it will do justice to other directors as well
Influence on film industry, technological and artistic innovations, box office history, film awards, followers, directors whom they inspired, quality of the films, fanfares and lasting impacts of films.. Not exactly rocket science.
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6 minutes ago, Nero said:
Are you kidding me? Cameron doesn't get enough credit? What do you want Nobel Peace Prize? Jesus I just literally explained as to even after the EG has passed Avatar Cameron is getting credit. My only complaint is that MCU doen't that much credit
James Cameron's box office prowess is still not thoroughly understood and appreciated, right in this forum, there were people suggesting the Russo's brothers have surpassed Jim in box office power... People for the most part still can't fully comprehend what 1.84B and 2.78B means in 1997 and 2009 respectively.
Also, because he doesn't abide all Hollywood rules, and isn't exactly politically correct, the artsy award circle usually hates him, I know that because I am a more avid award season follower than I am a box office follower. Some feminists also hate him for whatever reason (I don't get it, he's created iconic powerful female roles), and his constant effort in delivering the environmentalism message also doesn't get enough credit.
Jim Cameron belongs to the list of GOAT directors, though many hesitate to put him in that caliber, partly due to the populism in his films, as if the ability to attract global audiences is a fault in itself. Both Titanic and Avatar were affected by this narrative, the "cool kids" loved Aliens and T2 for example, wouldn't acknowledge his biggest two achievements.
By Cameron not getting enough credit, I mean a great many things, these are just some random examples.
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1 minute ago, Nero said:
Lol you just gave justification as to what my point was. I was saying Cameron gets way too much credit even after EG passing Avatar every one including Russo brothers, Kevin feige and many more persons are still praising him. My point being MCU doesn't get that much credit. Everybody expects great things from Cameron no doubt but I think everybody who worked at Marvel should also get credit.
MCU gets lots of credit for the passion and work of people behind the movies, I don't know what you are talking about.
Even I who is not a big fan of superhero films and this "Shared universe" trend, has said that The Russo's had done impressive work in Civil War, Guardians are really enjoyable movies, and Taika was a good choice for Thor Ragnarok, that was a fun film.
The thing is, MCU is the culmination of tens of thousands of peoples' work, there's 10+ different directors, numerous actors, many writers, several producers, many Disney corporate people in charge and then there's Kevin Feige, who exactly do you credit?
James Cameron is a visionary director, and it's much easier for people to acknowledge his achievement, he is the absolute focal point of all his work.
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2 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
CHRIST what the hell am I reading
He's also comparing the entirety of MCU, which started the creation of its source material since the 1950s; to Jim's work on Titanic and Avatar. If that doesn't convey Cameron's impressiveness, I don't know what does. If anything, he doesn't get enough credits.
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4 hours ago, LaughingEvans said:
How much money do you think it will hit?
Percentages in Asia, especially China, are not that favourable for distributors, compared to
If properly marketed and the re-release is large enough, I can see $100M to $150M in China and $200M+ in Asia, potentially even more.
Question is whether Disney thinks that it would be worth it.
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20 minutes ago, Nero said:
I think people give way too much credit. Yes he had 2 highest grossing movies and many successful movies and people expected that of him and still do. But the MCU which started from scratch and getting the top crown doesn't get much attention? Cameron might have made a career of what maybe 5-6 actors? MCU has made more than 40+ and is still going strong. Also how many sequels are highest grossing movies? Lot of original movies had that title. So why is it so hard for sequels to get there coz when you get so deep like 22 movies it gets very very hard to retain that audience and also get casual who aren't fanboy to watch their product... This is the hard work earned by so any people at MCU. I believe they should get more respect and credit where it is due.
If director X comes out and releases an ambitious blockbuster with a large budget , with a original story (no source material) which he/she wrote, casting mostly none A-list actors, then takes the entire world by storm, advances film technology in multiple fronts, while revolutionize the theatrical experience, said film then becomes the highest grossing film of all time, grossing $4.2B worldwide (raising the current worldwide record by 50%+), and then proceed to get nominated for 9 Oscars (including best Picture and best director), and - more importantly, if I really like the film; I would become a die-hard fan for life, no questions asked, the director doesn't even have to repeat this success (like Jim did).
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21 minutes ago, cdsacken said:
And
2015/2016/2017/2018/2019/2020
jumped directly from 2018 to 2020, I don't think 2019 was ever on the table.
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8 minutes ago, cdsacken said:
He has a 3rd account and likely 4th. Lol likes from fake people.
Well, it's not like I was aware of that. So it's emotionally fulfilling to have someone encouraging, and supportive like that. On the internet, no one truly knows who you are, but that support? I'm thankful for that, you know? We're not supposed to take Internet THAT seriously.
As for other accounts? I'm not aware of them and pretty sure I had zero interactions, but hydrogen I do remember, fondly.
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8 minutes ago, cdsacken said:
Sure thing but JCS fooled people for years.
That's because hydrogen is not a hyper-active member of Jim gang, but play more of a "subservient" role, so that these are not "opposing personalities". As I mentioned, it's one of the few ways I think it could actually work. Pretending to have completely different writing styles and behavior all the time every day while having many different interactions will not sustain for long, it will leave traces.
By the way, shout out to @Hydrogen for all the support and likes to my posts. I don't care who you are, you have my appreciation for that.
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29 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:
Both were 3d. Avatar is already 3d, so there's no reason to re-release it by that logic.
If there's money left on the table, and there is judging from Asian expansion since 2009, then there is reason to re-release it.
Though I'm less sure now in the hands of Disney, they might not bother with it, I still think a large global re-release is a good strategy, easier to market Avatar 2 as a sequel to a highest grosser and also remind people of Pandora again.
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8 minutes ago, That One Guy said:
You may not like IronJimbo, but from what I can tell, he's not an alt.
Yeah, the only way this "alt account" thing could even work, is either to have a dominant personality and a subservient one, or have two account that just barely interact with each other. You can't pretend to be two very-active members of the same group with different personalities, writing styles, and behaviors, while constantly interacting with each other as well as with everyone else and not look ridiculous.
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5 hours ago, dashrendar44 said:
To be an alt or not to be. That is the question.
While I was pondering the meaning of life yesterday, I have begun to suspect that I am in fact an alt of @IronJimbo
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4 hours ago, Nero said:
Yeah me too. Also I think we don't need to take these guys seriously be it EG discussion or something else they are butthurt most of the time and probably FAKE..
Excuse me? If you have legitimate points against the ones we are or were making, you're welcome to raise them, and I'm open to discussion all day, as you've seen probably for the past few months.
But you aren't granted some god given supreme power to delegitimize a group of people like this, for what we admire and what we're passionate about, some of us have been here much longer than you have, Nero. Sorry, you do not get to dictate how an entire group of people is perceived, you don't get to dismiss points that we've made which you don't like just by saying "probably fake".
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1 hour ago, aabattery said:
Cameron being gracious as ever.
Which is in clear contrast to that most liked tweet following it, which contains that "I hope they remember you" meme with the bad Photoshop that just won't stop spreading around.
Long live the King of box office!
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2 minutes ago, cdsacken said:
In actuality I share the same goals or desires for Avatar 2 as many in this thread. I don't care how it obtains more records but would love to see it obliterate the EG ones just set. I'd love to 3 billion overseas alone. I hope the underwater scenes truly deliver on the scale people predict. I have no desire for this film to be anything other than amazing and if it crushes EG then I will be thrilled because it will be an awesome movie to see.
it's time to turn to the dark side.
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27 minutes ago, Permanent Magnet said:
But hey JCS congratulated MCU fans for the record so that is nice from him and maybe against some "Jim gang" values here.
Ha, JCS's congratulation post was actually quite brilliant, you can read little into it or too much into it.
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18 minutes ago, Deep Wang said:
Someone called Endgame 'corporate trash,' and I'm fairly certain that doesn't mean that Avatar is 'corporate treasure.'
Just because Cameron put so much of himself into the project doesn't mean that he didn't have significant corporate help making it happen.
The other side is true also, just because Disney/Marvel is behind Avengers, that doesn't mean that the Russo's/Whedon/everyone else didn't put their heart and soul into the movies they were making.
My point in replying to your post has been about Avatar being a groundbreaking original, and there's justifiable reason to lament it losing the WW record, signifying end of an era, and that bringing up Avatar has sequels coming serves no purpose to that specific discussion. In extension to that, I have also make many points suggesting that Avatar sequels are completely different beasts from what's dominating the market right now, it's a new legacy franchise in the making, which I think we desperately need.
The point of whether there is a corporate element to Avatar is irrelevant to what I said, it's constructing an empty "debating" point that no one is disputing.
Regarding MCU, personally, I see them as adequate entertainment, with main contribution to film industry being in the form of cinematic universe, which is a development that I strongly dislike, but that's more MCU as a whole than any individual films. I wouldn't personally call MCU films corporate trash, I don't actually have an inherent problem with them, if they exist alongside contemporary new franchises and not dominate the entire Hollywood blockbuster industry, however, the reality is they dominate the scene with mostly pre-existing characters and modifications of pre-existing stories dating back to the 50s, while the area that they don't dominate in, sadly, is occupied by what I consider much much worse: soulless live action animation remakes, endless spin-offs and sequels that refuse to go away, and continuous revival and reboot of 70s, 80s and 90s franchises. I would put up with an occasional MMFR and BR2049, if it means they are made with heart as with those two films, and if it means they're not killing all creativity and new ideas in the industry, but look at where we are at right now.
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Eh, a friendly reminder:
We are on a box office forum, we are in a thread of a film directed by the king of box office, we are living in capitalistic societies and the film industry exist with making money as one primary goal. Why are there people running around reminding us that Avatar is a corporate product, as if that is news?
the point of discussion is not the word "corporate", but the groundbreaking nature of the original Avatar and the value it held by holding on to that crown, as well as how Avatar sequels are more in the veins of Star Wars OT and LOTR films, compared to what's dominating the market right now.
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45 minutes ago, Tag 2 said:
Titanic beat turkey box office record in 1998,it has 27m＋ admission,more than turkey highest local film (which has 25m admission)
Thanks, that's is very good to know.
I always wanted to know the specific markets where Titanic didn't get the all time record at the time, barring tiny markets that barely existed, seems like India is the only known one? it's funny how this only applies to Titanic, we will probably never talk about another film's box office run saying: "So, which two markets did the XX not crush the all time box office record again?" Testament of Titanic's prowess!
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Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it
in Box Office Discussion
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Personally, I would favour a Dec 2020 (1 year before Avatar 2) re-release with the first ever Avatar 2 teaser attached, I think this is most beneficial and Disney should further take advantage of those slots, which is still fairly empty at the moment.
While it would have been cool to see Avatar taking the crown back sooner than later, the most important thing is always to pave way for Avatar 2 to perform better, and I think Dec 2020 is for the best.